In this episode I talk with Chloe Lee, who suffers from bipolar disorder and has suffered from other illnesses and is healing herself with the carnivore diet. We talk about:
- How Chloe grew up on a plant-based diet
- How vegetables and fruits protect themselves
- Chinese medicine
- How the carnivore and ketogenic diets help to heal
- And more…
You can find Chloe here:
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/Chloe_mrng
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Episode timing:
(00:00) Introduction
(00:43) Chloe's story - from suicide attempts to being happy
(12:17) How the standard Chinese diet changed
(19:13) Which things helped Chloe to heal?
(25:38) What about eating fruits?
(27:34) Chloe sometimes takes Chinese medicinal herbs
(31:43) Eastern views on mental disorders
(36:39) Chloe's advice to people
(40:07) Outro and disclaimer
[00:00:08]
Unknown:
Hey there, and welcome to another episode of the improving Berry podcast for iTalk with experts in health and wellness. And this week, I'm speaking with Chloe Lee who suffers from bipolar disorder and has suffered from lots of other illnesses as well. She grew up on a mostly plant based diet in China and is now healing herself with, yes, the carnivore diet You can read the full transcript for free over at improvingberry.com. Now let's listen to Chloe's story. Thank you very much for talking with me today. I really appreciate that. I found your account on Twitter and I found it very inspiring. I saw a video also with you where they interviewed you as well.
Maybe we can start, like, at Well, not at the beginning, but maybe a little bit with your story. So as I understand it, you suffer or suffered from bipolar disorder. Is that correct?
[00:01:14] Unknown:
Yes. So, Okay. Yeah. I'll start with I'll start from the beginning. Yeah. So I was, I was raised, a As born in Korea, I was raised in China, and my mother is a doctor of, Chinese medicine. And, unless you probably know that mental disorder is not very, often tell about in Asia, so you don't really get a diagnosis or treatment even if you are showing the symptoms. And because my mother's a doctor, so she raised me on a what doctors considered to be a very healthy diet with a lot of fiber, eating the rainbow, protein from tofu and all that. Avoiding red meats, avoiding, processed food, everything that conventional doctors would recommend And, the symptoms started showing when I was 12. It, yeah, it got, I think, got worse and worse, and there was multiple suicide attempts every year.
But I I think it was just blamed on my personality because It was now considered a disease, a illness. And, and that advice kind of the norm in Asia. And it was around, 26 in my mid twenties when I came back to career, that I got out attempted to meet with the psychiatrist, and that was when I finally got, the diagnosis that I was bipolar too. And, yeah, it was it was very subtle because bipolar has a lot of, depressive so. So you're in depression most of the time. And, so it it was a little difficult to diagnose. And, So that was what I knew.
But, yeah, but also by the time I was diagnosed, I knew too much about medication and side effects of the medications. I was very hesitant about going on any drugs. And, so I I was kind of trying to, fix it with because I still believe that bipolar 2 is just me not thinking the right thoughts. So I was trying to, fix it by maybe reading books or or, conventional therapy that doesn't involve any medications. And, and I didn't think I've ever succeeded and, What happened was around the dress before the pandemic, I started having, seborracked their titus around my hairline, this dermatitis, and asthma, and this skin condition, it it got worse and worse. I went to the doc the doctor and I was, given some drugs.
Like, corticosteroid cream, anti fungal cream, anti histamine. Oh, yeah. And and those regular things. And interestingly, none of them worked. And I went back again and again and 4 or 5 time he just did the same thing. Just gave me a new drug, new medication. And never took the time to interview me what was going on. So that was, kinda disappointing. So I I did something that you're not supposed to do, which is Google your own symptom. And I started Google my own symptom trying to find, What was what information is out there is is it possible that I can do something because my education is not working? And I came across AIP also in my browser call. So it's a it's a elimination site where you keep the food that is considered to be safe. And then you started introducing food 1 by 1, towards the end.
So, basically, I went on a a a 3 to 3 months that is basically consists of thin broccoli and pork pork shoulder, and that was it. I just had 2 food for for a couple of months. And, I think in 2 weeks, my dermatitis disappeared completely. So so that that was easy. That was that was really easy, and I was, starting to question, the doctors. Maybe I shouldn't just trust the doctor with my own house. Maybe I should do more research. For myself. But it was basically a keto version of the IP, right, because I was not eating a lot of carbs. I started, to get the benefit of ketosis as well, which is more stable modes and the stable energy, stable focus. And I thought it is interesting that my brain feels different on a different diet and and a a a restrictive diet that is, the opposite of what my doctor might recommend.
And then I ran into a new problem, which is I started to get a lot of bloating, which never happened before, So I started researching, and I came across this random post on Reddit about card or diet. It shouldn't make sense. But, basically, people were blaming the floating on vegetables, fibers. I thought that that that doesn't make sense to me. Fiber is the best thing. But out of curiosity because the the people's testimonies were really dramatic. People would say, it cured a lot of their diseases that they were not back to you. So I thought I I'll give it 2 weeks. So I cut up the broccoli and kept the pork shoulder.
In one way, the voting disappears completely, in 2 weeks, in the middle of the line, I woke up randomly 4 AM as you remember, it was it was very dramatic. And I thought, I thought I was I was high because I was happy that never felt that kind of happiness. I thought, did I did I take something? And I and I got a little scared enough and online, I and I asked already, guys, I feel high. Is this normal and hard work? And people were commenting they experienced the same thing when they first switched to a carnival diet. I said, oh, this is This is interesting. This feels so good. This feels like I I've never I never knew I could feel this happy.
So I just kind of stick to Carlos diet even though I was only planning to do it for 2 weeks. And things started to to change very dramatically. My my mood was very stable. I have very sharp focus 247. It it felt like people were saying that it felt like, you took the pill from the limitless and you just turn on the light in your brain. It felt like it felt like that. It was it was so dramatic. I was, yeah, I was worried I was working 12 hours a day, and I didn't feel tired. My focus was great. I was energetic. I was happy and and and confident, and I have this strangely optimistic beyond life, even though nothing changed.
And I started noticing my nails start stop breaking. My scars were hitting. My hair got thicker. I had more energy. I don't need I don't need any time to recover after gym session because I I just don't feel sore anymore. Mhmm. Just all those little subtle things that started to to change. And I thought this is this is interesting. Let's say how much better I can guess. I said it. Just keep doing it. Keep doing it. I stopped getting carsick. I stopped getting cramps. I stopped getting I stopped reading in my gums. So everything I thought was just genetic, got better. It disappeared.
I thought this is this is interesting, but this this coffee healthy, right, is how I so I started to dig in and started researching more because I I I feel so good and it just didn't make sense. And I discover all these, low carb doctors and this low carb researchers. And and it's just, completely 180, it feels so, betrayal. What because my mother who was very educated, smart person, we we believe in complete up say, we believed in a a plant based diet, fiber, and, avoided a lot of things. And because we don't eat red meat that much, so we'll eat a lot of eggs and dairy which is supposed to be healthy, but it turned out, eggs and dairy are 2 of my biggest triggers for both my dermatitis and bipolar.
So, basically, the more my mother gave me, the worst my bipolar god, which was interesting. And, yeah, and, I think around 6 months more, I called my mother and I, and I prepared this whole speech because I had to convince a doctor I'm doing this, crazy diet and it's working. And, it turns out she didn't need a lot of convincing yet because 2, 3, with his end, and she told me she'd be late because she always knew something wasn't right because she was doing everything right. And, and my house, my brother's house, her house was getting worse and worse. And she actually got colon cancer from all the fiber issues.
It just didn't make sense from her point of view because she was she was doing everything right. She was, that was what they taught at the medical school. Yeah, and I told her that eating a lot of bread meat, which she didn't do, and my brother didn't do. Did a lot of good for my mental health. And, and she told me that My brother who went on his strict bacon dime and she was, fifteen. She and then he had RT that she was autistic. But the symptom was not not never that severe, but ever since she went on a vegan diet around Fanti, she he started getting, a symptoms of schizophrenia style, and his autism got worse and worse.
And, yeah, she she from her experience, she knew that in basins, even though it was the opposite of what they taught in school. So that was and my story
[00:12:18] Unknown:
Yeah. Wow. That's an incredible story. There's a lot in there. Jeez. So let me let me try to unpack a couple of those things. So first of all, you know, you mentioned that growing up in China, you grow up on, like, a plant based diet, almost all vegan avoiding red meat. Now I think we here in the west, we have this view of China and the east that everybody's very healthy there and live until they're, like, two hundred years old. And they have this this magical thing where they eat lots of fish and, and some rice but that's just not true then. Is that is that the case? Is it so a vegan diet, is that something that most people in China consume, or is that just some regions?
[00:13:12] Unknown:
So I I moved to China in early nineties. So before really with China stress opening up, and it was, like, uncontaminated by a lot of the western science. So in the early 90 people, I would especially I was in the north where, like, people were had a similar diet of Mongolians, so they were, like, northern Chinese tall. It guys ate a lot of pork, a lot of meat, a lot of big portion. Yeah. Early night, these people were keeping their traditional diet. Everything is bite in large, everything he's cooked in large. Of course, people eat rice, but it was rice and meat, and rice and cabbage and something like that. Yeah.
But it was, things started to change when the rest of medications started to get a foothold and, all this TV experts starting to starting to say that red meat is now good for you causes cancer and so people were starting to shy away from rabbit a little bit. But that was not the traditional diet, especially in the in the North various cold. It is just not natural to eat that much plant based food anyway. And it's it's also interesting that, vegan that were reserved for monks and nuns, because it is a Buddhist country in the past. So monks were eating a lot of vegan food. So and, follow-up Buddhism so you can get vegan option in the restaurant.
And they usually assume that you are a Buddhist, a strict Buddhist. But what's interesting is that there's so many, TV reports about diabetics, bones. So they they eat only vegetable, but they are fat, and they have diabetes. So the people were were starting to questioning some of the science behind it as well.
[00:15:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I guess, Not eating animals is also associated with spiritual cleanliness. Right? So if you do eat meat and that's not clean, spiritually, and then maybe you you can't ascend or or or grow spiritually, I think.
[00:15:20] Unknown:
Yeah. I think it's, the principle of not not killing another animal is kind of important in Buddhism. Yeah.
[00:15:31] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. So now I'm just wondering out loud here because I've just been putting together, an episode that I did last week with Belinda Fettke She got down this rabbit hole of research where she, tried to clear her husband's name, Gary Fatke, who was in the orthopedic surgeon, we started to recommend low carb diets to his patients and then got, almost his license revoked by their medical boards. And, apparently, their medical board was then, paid by the sugar industry, and that sugar industry was then paid by the 7th day Adventist Church who try to, promote their garden of Eden Diet, which is a vegan diet, because they believe that if all the people on earth, don't eat animal flesh anymore, then Jesus will return.
So I I'm just wondering out loud so that pro probably in the nineties, that whole message and that that culture, and also that influence that also came to the east. Looks like it, at least. That's so widespread. It's just scary. How that goes and how then, people go off of their traditional diets. And you say the Mongolian diet and then fall into these traps of believing that you know, mostly vegetables is good. And all of these these myths that, you know, you should eat lots and lots of fiber because that's good for you. Otherwise, she can't be healthy and read me this bad for you. I'm just wondering that out loud and just, you know, it makes me a bit scared of the future because This message is spread so widely, and so many people believe this, including, like, doctors like your mom, for instance, and she's probably coming around now seeing your progress, but still so many people are on this path and they become sick and ill, and they have no clue what it is.
Or just blame genetics for it because, you know, it couldn't be the fruit. Right? But I'm very glad that you you finally then, what was able to figure it out. And I think, listening to your story, what enabled you a lot was your curiosity, your own curiosity, and also your ability then to, you know, go online and actually search for these things. Which is relatively new, right, like, 15 years ago or something. This this didn't exist. And you just had to go to the doctor and listen to the doctor or listen to your mom in this case and, you know, just deal with them. So I'm Yeah. I'm very happy that that's, that's the case.
Yeah. Okay. So there's there's still so much in there. So then you started to feel better, right, by, starting to go into ketosis And then, you you didn't really know that you were in ketosis, but that was like a side effect of the, low inflammatory diet. Right? I'm always, kinda surprised that this anti or or this immune diets contain so many things like broccoli and such, which can be very inflammatory for many people. And the fiber from that as well, where I think, like, a carnivore diet, like, just meat is, like, incredible, diet for just cutting out all the things that hurt you and just providing you with lots and lots of nutrients.
That being said, what do you think, is the thing that really made the difference for you when you started to eat meat, was it just cutting out the plant toxins, or or was it, getting more nutrients in your body, or was it all of the above? What what's your theory? Why the why did this work for you?
[00:19:27] Unknown:
Yeah. My theory is that Someone asked the same question too to reveal a few days ago, and I said it was a few aspects number one is I I got into ketosis, and we know ketosis is a very complicated mechanism. It changes to burn. It actually changes, A lot of things about how body works. It changes the RDA. It changes the nutrient that you need. It changes the the re inflammatory it changes so much things. And the other thing is, bioavailable nutrient, which I I I read feel the benefit because when I was later, I was always anemia. I was not allowed to donate blood because I am slow in Ireland.
So my mother would include, spinach in every meal every meal for for 26, 27 years. Spanish was all I ate, and I liked spinach, so I didn't mind, but that my spinach, and there's nothing. They changed nothing. And as 3 months after eating, we have been to, I went to donate blood, and and the nurse told me I had the highest iron of any woman. That's why this is what they meant by bioavailable. Like, the I can actually absorb the iron inmates. Yeah, so I I definitely felt like all those vitamins and nutrient minerals in in vegetables. It it didn't matter if it caught up sort of in Houston. So I said that really made a difference. I was actually considering food that I could absorb.
So eating meat can be bioavailable nutrients. And the other thing, Suru, because my the basis of my diet is AI out a new protocol service. Very, very of what I how I react to each food. And I I noticed that cutting out a lot of the healthy feel like broccoli. It just made me feel better. And when I, after, I think, after 2 years of Street carnival, I started testing. With different healthy vegetables, because people were were going crazy about microbiome and and fermented food and antioxidant and all that trendy stuff. I'm gonna test if I see any benefit. And, No. Actually, always there seems to be always be a risk, when you eat any pet food. I think the one of the most shocking one was I I don't I don't drink coffee. I can't drink tolerate any caffeine, so I I was looking tea without caffeine.
So I tested calamari, which was supposed to be very, very safe. Then I got, hype. It's all over my body. You said that this is such a innocent innocuous, you know, little tick. I can't believe that it's it's hurting me so bad. So I really have to believe that plans are not just a a bundle of of antioxidants. It's it has toxin. It has Yeah. Different chemicals that there's always a risk. So I I really started to believe that plan is all not this innocuous. It is a little thing that they they are trying to protect themselves as well. And, yeah, Yeah. The same as, iconic garlic. I I there's a lot of things that I just count is, and, Going from a street carnival and testing.
Food on by line, really show me that anti nutrient, there are very few things. And, yeah, and you know how, like, a lot of car, they don't eat vitamin c, and they just they just don't get scurry and people was, don't believe me. But that that is the truth that as soon as I started, introducing back vegetables and started to getting bruises on my skin. So I was showing, symptoms of low vitamin c when I include any types of plant food. But if I remove them and I don't consume any vitamin c, then then I'm fine. I I find that very curious. So, yeah, all of the bio available nutrient, removing anti nutrient, and, I think all three.
[00:23:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. The vitamin c story is also very interesting. I've heard that before as well. Vitamin c is a powerful antioxidants, and and what that does is, it gives back, electrons to to, cells where they get damaged by free radicals. They when the cell gets damaged by free radical, electrons get taken away. Right? So then you need something in in a chain of antioxidants, including vitamin e and other vitamins well, including vitamin c to repair that. And I think that probably when you're eating, things that are hurting you, so like plants, for instance, could be anti nutrients, can be, the glyphosate, the roundup that is sprayed on there, all sorts of things that are hurting you, then you have lots of oxidative stress And they ask you to lead a lot of repair mechanisms like these antioxidants.
But when you don't eat fix that do not hurt you, you might not need that many. Antioxidants. I think that that's probably what it is. Yeah. So and and, yes, ketosis is a is a wonderful thing, especially for fueling the brain because your brain loves ketones. And, yes, I hear people already think, well, not every part of the brain can run on ketones. You really need the glucose, and that is very true, but your body makes enough glucose for your brain. By itself, even if you do not consume glucose by by gluconeogenesis or it does it by itself. So you really don't need to consume it You just, you know, make ketones.
And then, your body, gets the right fuel and is able to to heal itself. So so you cut out the plans there. What about fruits? Because lots of, animal based people like, leave the plants behind, but then they do eat some fruits because fruits do not typically have all of those things that hurt you. But do have some glucose if you need that, that, do you consume any fruits?
[00:25:43] Unknown:
No. Because number 1, they people assume that it doesn't have Any intonucian, which is not true. They do have intonucian. It may be just in a lesser amount because a lot of people call it avocado because there are allergic to the latex. At first, can be addressed as problematic. Actually, my brother's only, allergy reaction is to fruit. So, yeah, I I think they they Did you just say latex? Yeah. If you are who calls, is that related to latex gloves? They they call it avocados. Yeah. Because they had some some of the sick signal of 10. For Val, I forgot what's the but they had the signal. Yeah. There's something new sick.
Yeah. But a lot of people are allergic to a lot a lot of people call it pictures, a lot of people call it, mangoes, So you know that they they have anti nutrients, it just depends on your tolerance. And, I and I think I remember, as bitch, by Fataki, by Doctor Fataki, and he said modern fruit is processed food. I agree. Because, bananas 200, 300 years ago, they are they are not this sweet. They are since they they have a lot too much fiber. They are just not very appetizing, and we've made banana into this high GI dessert thing, and it's just absolutely sweet. It spikes my blood sugar, and it kicked me out of ketosis. So you did I just don't have any reason to consumptions.
[00:27:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. That's a good reasoning there. Yeah. And you're completely right. These things most of these things didn't even exist a couple 100 years ago. We just invented them. Yeah, to taste nice and look pretty. Okay. And, I heard you talk on another program that, you do or you did, at least, for some ailments, if you now have an ailment, if you become sick or something, you do take some Chinese medicine in the form of, herbs, Is that simplification and what does that look like?
[00:27:55] Unknown:
Because my my mother is she moved to China to study Chinese medicine. So that was the the basis of her knowledge and What? But when I was coming down with a code or a sick sheet or try fix it with Chinese medicine, which has a lot less side effects. I mean, it's still planned, so you still have a a a price to pay, I guess, but when you're sick, I think that when it makes sense. So she always gave me herbs and the traditional Chinese medicine before she resorts, antibiotics, which I think is really, very bad for you, like, for bio. So, yeah, I think for instance, I think after my second dose of vaccine, I got, a malaria. I lost my menstruced completely after the second dose of vaccine. And, no supplement was playing it back. You know, so it didn't work.
A lot of Western medicine didn't work. And, there were some studies, fenugreek say and fenugreek say is interesting because but men take it, a a post testosterone, the women take it balances the, female hormones, progesterone and estrogen. And, so I started taking fenugreek. Fenugreek see, I bought some seed and started making tea with it. And started to drink it for 1 month. And then that was that was what did the trick, and it worked. So I kind of says, so I will resort to plants when when I'm sick because in that case, the the anti nutrients, it could be a price worth paying or even beneficial in that case.
Yeah.
[00:29:45] Unknown:
Right. And and do you think that maybe also the preparation methods for these types of medicines help in, maybe getting rid of some of the anti nutrients?
[00:29:59] Unknown:
Uh-uh. Yeah. I know I know that Western and I pride test a lot of article studies on how to remove anti nutrients, and I usually follow them if I have to if I have to use any of them, but I I think it's really complicated if you because if you look at traditional Chinese medicine, they don't actually process it that much. Sometimes it is almost as if they want the anti nutrient to be consumed when you're sick because that's what was doing the trick and and Vanderbrook seed. Uh-huh. When I when I sucked it and fermented it and sprouted it, it didn't work. I have to kind of make tea at this roast form. So that's what's interesting. Oh. Well, yeah, and we will say fermented food is the best if you're going to consume any pan food, and it is the opposite for me. Any fermented food cost me digestive distress.
So Yeah. So it depends on your your, I guess, individual by our individual, I'd say, as well.
[00:31:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Definitely. And and probably also on the stage of healing where you're in as in, you know, I can imagine that, you probably had or maybe still have a leaky gut I sure did when I was eating lots of, plant things. And because of that, I had lots of food intolerance and reactions to, to different foods as they leak through the gut barrier and your immune system starts making antibodies to them. So once that is healed, it can take a long time before that immune memory basically, fades and and you heal and then can eat those things again, if ever, you know, some some things I can never eat. Yeah.
So, you mentioned in the beginning that, in the east at least in China, There's a big stigma on, on mental disorders as in they are not recognized, as such, and they just say, well, you're just not thinking the correct way. You you just need to think positive thoughts or something or, which is very difficult. I imagine to grow up in, especially when your mother basically doesn't believe that there's something wrong with you, but that's that you're just thinking the wrong things here. Now that you've been on this journey and you also, showed the results to your to your mother, What does she think now? Did did she completely change her mind also on bipolar and other mental disorders?
[00:32:33] Unknown:
Yeah. She yeah. She's she's surprisingly open minded, and she's studying more open minded as she ages, which is incredible. Yeah, because she Yeah. She didn't she thought she told me I was ungrateful because that's that's what a lot of Asian parent thinks that you're not depressed. You're just ungrateful. You have a roof over. You have what do you have to complain about. I think it was until she experienced depression herself, that she started to say maybe maybe it's real. And, and, yeah, she she could she could feel that something changed. I had it She's and she told me I was too extreme. It just really, bipolar, of course, I'm extremely well.
And then she said, did It that's your personality. Right? And then when I went and I called her and she said, she noticed that there's something differently. My personality is like my personality change, and it's it wasn't my personality. It was the it was the illness. But now she's she's very much, believing what I said, and she's trying to incorporate more meat the property she has been, almost vegan for for 2 decades that even chicken breast is too much for her. So she's She's doing it, little by little.
[00:33:58] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. That that will take a while, but that's a very good change change in mindset there. I I liked that a lot. And I like that that's all brought on by you, by your, curiosity and ability to go online and research this for yourself and then, you know, Be brave enough to actually try to change things, even though you've been told all of your life that you're ungrateful and that this is not a real thing and, you know, you're eating the healthy thing. So I'm really glad that this is working out for you. I'm really glad that it does. Yeah. Me too.
[00:34:38] Unknown:
It's yeah. I think it's a lot of it was curiosity because, people on carnival It's such a extreme diet. Right? And, it it's very difficult to convince someone to go on carnival work, but but when you see the testimonials online, they are the very adjuvant. It's not like, oh, I I think it helps none of the day. Is that it it cured cured my rheumatoid arthritis, it cured my depression. And it was, I saw the effect in that in in month and it's very fast. We were very, very adamant, and, and it was curious because they were not trying to sell me anything. If you were not trying to sell me supplements or or, a coaching session or anything like that address, They were just very, very adamant about the effects of card. It was, like, in 2 weeks, couldn't hurt and 3 weeks 1 months, 3 years, and we just went on.
So, yeah, I'm I'm grateful that people share the experience. They they are probably being seen as the third one by their family members, but they, yeah, but they were the one that spread the word and help a lot of people, I think.
[00:35:51] Unknown:
Yeah. I agree. And, yes, initially, people will be, viewed as the weird ones because the normal thing is to eat all of these unhealthy things and to just to get sick and accept that you're sick because, you know, it's genetics. Right? Can't do anything about that. So, you know, when you're the weird one, you get to show that you can do something about that, and then you you can feel great all the time. You don't have to be tired. You can just work all day and still be sharp. You can do all of these things because that's what humans were designed for if you fuel yourself the right way. But so, yeah, if you think about all of that and people that you know, and people in the world that are struggling, with similar things that you were struggling with.
What would you recommend or advise to people to do?
[00:36:47] Unknown:
I think even though I don't know what percentage of the population could see a good benefit from this diet, but but I know that a lot of people, they are at their risk, and they they they traditional meds didn't work for them. They don't know what to do. They they don't want to deal with all the side effects of the medication, and they don't want to rely on medication forever. And if they those people, if they're open to you, I think, people should give a carnival ketoed retry for at least, to 3 to 6 months, I would say, especially carnival straight card were made only, and keto card was actually easier. We think you you can basically turn off the brain and eat the same food every day. You don't have to calculate macros.
You don't have to avoid all this and that. You don't have to wait. You don't have to do anything. You just hit submit your life and that's it. And still so simple and so easy, and your palate changes really fast that after, I think, a couple of days, I didn't need any spices. Or, dessert or anything. You just really just enjoy the day. It just incredibly easy, and the improvement was really fast. I think even medication take a couple of months to work for depression, but kinda what was 1 or 2 months, and you see the result almost immediately. So I thought, like, 3 months of your life, I think that's the time worth investing.
If people are open to it, Yeah.
[00:38:22] Unknown:
And yeah. I think that's a solid advice. Yeah.
[00:38:26] Unknown:
Is this simple? Is it possible if you're not ready to yes.
[00:38:31] Unknown:
Yeah. Exactly. It is very simple to do, because like you say, you don't have to think about, a whole meal plan or something. Just pick the things that you, can tolerate. Like, if you can't tolerate eggs, that's totally fine. Don't eat eggs. If you can tolerate beef or just mints, Just eat that. Don't worry about, not getting enough nutrients. It's all in there. Just put some salt on there. Eat it. That's it. Don't worry about it not being tasty. You know, it will taste lovely after a couple days. Yeah. Will be nice. Lovely. Okay.
This was, wonderful and inspiring thank you very much for sharing your story today. I think it's, it's very helpful. I hope it helps people as well to inspire them to, Look beyond what the doctors are saying and, you know, use doctor Google, not to scare yourself, insist to inform yourself. Where can people go to, connect with you and find out more?
[00:39:34] Unknown:
I think I'm most active on Twitter. So you can include that to the handle. And people can ask me a question about desires or anything.
[00:39:45] Unknown:
Alright. We'll do that will be in the show notes below this video or, podcast episode if you are listening. Thank you very much. For talking with me today.
[00:39:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for inviting me, and I'll thank you for all the wonderful podcasts you're putting out there. I think you were better for a lot of people.
[00:40:04] Unknown:
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Hey there, and welcome to another episode of the improving Berry podcast for iTalk with experts in health and wellness. And this week, I'm speaking with Chloe Lee who suffers from bipolar disorder and has suffered from lots of other illnesses as well. She grew up on a mostly plant based diet in China and is now healing herself with, yes, the carnivore diet You can read the full transcript for free over at improvingberry.com. Now let's listen to Chloe's story. Thank you very much for talking with me today. I really appreciate that. I found your account on Twitter and I found it very inspiring. I saw a video also with you where they interviewed you as well.
Maybe we can start, like, at Well, not at the beginning, but maybe a little bit with your story. So as I understand it, you suffer or suffered from bipolar disorder. Is that correct?
[00:01:14] Unknown:
Yes. So, Okay. Yeah. I'll start with I'll start from the beginning. Yeah. So I was, I was raised, a As born in Korea, I was raised in China, and my mother is a doctor of, Chinese medicine. And, unless you probably know that mental disorder is not very, often tell about in Asia, so you don't really get a diagnosis or treatment even if you are showing the symptoms. And because my mother's a doctor, so she raised me on a what doctors considered to be a very healthy diet with a lot of fiber, eating the rainbow, protein from tofu and all that. Avoiding red meats, avoiding, processed food, everything that conventional doctors would recommend And, the symptoms started showing when I was 12. It, yeah, it got, I think, got worse and worse, and there was multiple suicide attempts every year.
But I I think it was just blamed on my personality because It was now considered a disease, a illness. And, and that advice kind of the norm in Asia. And it was around, 26 in my mid twenties when I came back to career, that I got out attempted to meet with the psychiatrist, and that was when I finally got, the diagnosis that I was bipolar too. And, yeah, it was it was very subtle because bipolar has a lot of, depressive so. So you're in depression most of the time. And, so it it was a little difficult to diagnose. And, So that was what I knew.
But, yeah, but also by the time I was diagnosed, I knew too much about medication and side effects of the medications. I was very hesitant about going on any drugs. And, so I I was kind of trying to, fix it with because I still believe that bipolar 2 is just me not thinking the right thoughts. So I was trying to, fix it by maybe reading books or or, conventional therapy that doesn't involve any medications. And, and I didn't think I've ever succeeded and, What happened was around the dress before the pandemic, I started having, seborracked their titus around my hairline, this dermatitis, and asthma, and this skin condition, it it got worse and worse. I went to the doc the doctor and I was, given some drugs.
Like, corticosteroid cream, anti fungal cream, anti histamine. Oh, yeah. And and those regular things. And interestingly, none of them worked. And I went back again and again and 4 or 5 time he just did the same thing. Just gave me a new drug, new medication. And never took the time to interview me what was going on. So that was, kinda disappointing. So I I did something that you're not supposed to do, which is Google your own symptom. And I started Google my own symptom trying to find, What was what information is out there is is it possible that I can do something because my education is not working? And I came across AIP also in my browser call. So it's a it's a elimination site where you keep the food that is considered to be safe. And then you started introducing food 1 by 1, towards the end.
So, basically, I went on a a a 3 to 3 months that is basically consists of thin broccoli and pork pork shoulder, and that was it. I just had 2 food for for a couple of months. And, I think in 2 weeks, my dermatitis disappeared completely. So so that that was easy. That was that was really easy, and I was, starting to question, the doctors. Maybe I shouldn't just trust the doctor with my own house. Maybe I should do more research. For myself. But it was basically a keto version of the IP, right, because I was not eating a lot of carbs. I started, to get the benefit of ketosis as well, which is more stable modes and the stable energy, stable focus. And I thought it is interesting that my brain feels different on a different diet and and a a a restrictive diet that is, the opposite of what my doctor might recommend.
And then I ran into a new problem, which is I started to get a lot of bloating, which never happened before, So I started researching, and I came across this random post on Reddit about card or diet. It shouldn't make sense. But, basically, people were blaming the floating on vegetables, fibers. I thought that that that doesn't make sense to me. Fiber is the best thing. But out of curiosity because the the people's testimonies were really dramatic. People would say, it cured a lot of their diseases that they were not back to you. So I thought I I'll give it 2 weeks. So I cut up the broccoli and kept the pork shoulder.
In one way, the voting disappears completely, in 2 weeks, in the middle of the line, I woke up randomly 4 AM as you remember, it was it was very dramatic. And I thought, I thought I was I was high because I was happy that never felt that kind of happiness. I thought, did I did I take something? And I and I got a little scared enough and online, I and I asked already, guys, I feel high. Is this normal and hard work? And people were commenting they experienced the same thing when they first switched to a carnival diet. I said, oh, this is This is interesting. This feels so good. This feels like I I've never I never knew I could feel this happy.
So I just kind of stick to Carlos diet even though I was only planning to do it for 2 weeks. And things started to to change very dramatically. My my mood was very stable. I have very sharp focus 247. It it felt like people were saying that it felt like, you took the pill from the limitless and you just turn on the light in your brain. It felt like it felt like that. It was it was so dramatic. I was, yeah, I was worried I was working 12 hours a day, and I didn't feel tired. My focus was great. I was energetic. I was happy and and and confident, and I have this strangely optimistic beyond life, even though nothing changed.
And I started noticing my nails start stop breaking. My scars were hitting. My hair got thicker. I had more energy. I don't need I don't need any time to recover after gym session because I I just don't feel sore anymore. Mhmm. Just all those little subtle things that started to to change. And I thought this is this is interesting. Let's say how much better I can guess. I said it. Just keep doing it. Keep doing it. I stopped getting carsick. I stopped getting cramps. I stopped getting I stopped reading in my gums. So everything I thought was just genetic, got better. It disappeared.
I thought this is this is interesting, but this this coffee healthy, right, is how I so I started to dig in and started researching more because I I I feel so good and it just didn't make sense. And I discover all these, low carb doctors and this low carb researchers. And and it's just, completely 180, it feels so, betrayal. What because my mother who was very educated, smart person, we we believe in complete up say, we believed in a a plant based diet, fiber, and, avoided a lot of things. And because we don't eat red meat that much, so we'll eat a lot of eggs and dairy which is supposed to be healthy, but it turned out, eggs and dairy are 2 of my biggest triggers for both my dermatitis and bipolar.
So, basically, the more my mother gave me, the worst my bipolar god, which was interesting. And, yeah, and, I think around 6 months more, I called my mother and I, and I prepared this whole speech because I had to convince a doctor I'm doing this, crazy diet and it's working. And, it turns out she didn't need a lot of convincing yet because 2, 3, with his end, and she told me she'd be late because she always knew something wasn't right because she was doing everything right. And, and my house, my brother's house, her house was getting worse and worse. And she actually got colon cancer from all the fiber issues.
It just didn't make sense from her point of view because she was she was doing everything right. She was, that was what they taught at the medical school. Yeah, and I told her that eating a lot of bread meat, which she didn't do, and my brother didn't do. Did a lot of good for my mental health. And, and she told me that My brother who went on his strict bacon dime and she was, fifteen. She and then he had RT that she was autistic. But the symptom was not not never that severe, but ever since she went on a vegan diet around Fanti, she he started getting, a symptoms of schizophrenia style, and his autism got worse and worse.
And, yeah, she she from her experience, she knew that in basins, even though it was the opposite of what they taught in school. So that was and my story
[00:12:18] Unknown:
Yeah. Wow. That's an incredible story. There's a lot in there. Jeez. So let me let me try to unpack a couple of those things. So first of all, you know, you mentioned that growing up in China, you grow up on, like, a plant based diet, almost all vegan avoiding red meat. Now I think we here in the west, we have this view of China and the east that everybody's very healthy there and live until they're, like, two hundred years old. And they have this this magical thing where they eat lots of fish and, and some rice but that's just not true then. Is that is that the case? Is it so a vegan diet, is that something that most people in China consume, or is that just some regions?
[00:13:12] Unknown:
So I I moved to China in early nineties. So before really with China stress opening up, and it was, like, uncontaminated by a lot of the western science. So in the early 90 people, I would especially I was in the north where, like, people were had a similar diet of Mongolians, so they were, like, northern Chinese tall. It guys ate a lot of pork, a lot of meat, a lot of big portion. Yeah. Early night, these people were keeping their traditional diet. Everything is bite in large, everything he's cooked in large. Of course, people eat rice, but it was rice and meat, and rice and cabbage and something like that. Yeah.
But it was, things started to change when the rest of medications started to get a foothold and, all this TV experts starting to starting to say that red meat is now good for you causes cancer and so people were starting to shy away from rabbit a little bit. But that was not the traditional diet, especially in the in the North various cold. It is just not natural to eat that much plant based food anyway. And it's it's also interesting that, vegan that were reserved for monks and nuns, because it is a Buddhist country in the past. So monks were eating a lot of vegan food. So and, follow-up Buddhism so you can get vegan option in the restaurant.
And they usually assume that you are a Buddhist, a strict Buddhist. But what's interesting is that there's so many, TV reports about diabetics, bones. So they they eat only vegetable, but they are fat, and they have diabetes. So the people were were starting to questioning some of the science behind it as well.
[00:15:03] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I guess, Not eating animals is also associated with spiritual cleanliness. Right? So if you do eat meat and that's not clean, spiritually, and then maybe you you can't ascend or or or grow spiritually, I think.
[00:15:20] Unknown:
Yeah. I think it's, the principle of not not killing another animal is kind of important in Buddhism. Yeah.
[00:15:31] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. So now I'm just wondering out loud here because I've just been putting together, an episode that I did last week with Belinda Fettke She got down this rabbit hole of research where she, tried to clear her husband's name, Gary Fatke, who was in the orthopedic surgeon, we started to recommend low carb diets to his patients and then got, almost his license revoked by their medical boards. And, apparently, their medical board was then, paid by the sugar industry, and that sugar industry was then paid by the 7th day Adventist Church who try to, promote their garden of Eden Diet, which is a vegan diet, because they believe that if all the people on earth, don't eat animal flesh anymore, then Jesus will return.
So I I'm just wondering out loud so that pro probably in the nineties, that whole message and that that culture, and also that influence that also came to the east. Looks like it, at least. That's so widespread. It's just scary. How that goes and how then, people go off of their traditional diets. And you say the Mongolian diet and then fall into these traps of believing that you know, mostly vegetables is good. And all of these these myths that, you know, you should eat lots and lots of fiber because that's good for you. Otherwise, she can't be healthy and read me this bad for you. I'm just wondering that out loud and just, you know, it makes me a bit scared of the future because This message is spread so widely, and so many people believe this, including, like, doctors like your mom, for instance, and she's probably coming around now seeing your progress, but still so many people are on this path and they become sick and ill, and they have no clue what it is.
Or just blame genetics for it because, you know, it couldn't be the fruit. Right? But I'm very glad that you you finally then, what was able to figure it out. And I think, listening to your story, what enabled you a lot was your curiosity, your own curiosity, and also your ability then to, you know, go online and actually search for these things. Which is relatively new, right, like, 15 years ago or something. This this didn't exist. And you just had to go to the doctor and listen to the doctor or listen to your mom in this case and, you know, just deal with them. So I'm Yeah. I'm very happy that that's, that's the case.
Yeah. Okay. So there's there's still so much in there. So then you started to feel better, right, by, starting to go into ketosis And then, you you didn't really know that you were in ketosis, but that was like a side effect of the, low inflammatory diet. Right? I'm always, kinda surprised that this anti or or this immune diets contain so many things like broccoli and such, which can be very inflammatory for many people. And the fiber from that as well, where I think, like, a carnivore diet, like, just meat is, like, incredible, diet for just cutting out all the things that hurt you and just providing you with lots and lots of nutrients.
That being said, what do you think, is the thing that really made the difference for you when you started to eat meat, was it just cutting out the plant toxins, or or was it, getting more nutrients in your body, or was it all of the above? What what's your theory? Why the why did this work for you?
[00:19:27] Unknown:
Yeah. My theory is that Someone asked the same question too to reveal a few days ago, and I said it was a few aspects number one is I I got into ketosis, and we know ketosis is a very complicated mechanism. It changes to burn. It actually changes, A lot of things about how body works. It changes the RDA. It changes the nutrient that you need. It changes the the re inflammatory it changes so much things. And the other thing is, bioavailable nutrient, which I I I read feel the benefit because when I was later, I was always anemia. I was not allowed to donate blood because I am slow in Ireland.
So my mother would include, spinach in every meal every meal for for 26, 27 years. Spanish was all I ate, and I liked spinach, so I didn't mind, but that my spinach, and there's nothing. They changed nothing. And as 3 months after eating, we have been to, I went to donate blood, and and the nurse told me I had the highest iron of any woman. That's why this is what they meant by bioavailable. Like, the I can actually absorb the iron inmates. Yeah, so I I definitely felt like all those vitamins and nutrient minerals in in vegetables. It it didn't matter if it caught up sort of in Houston. So I said that really made a difference. I was actually considering food that I could absorb.
So eating meat can be bioavailable nutrients. And the other thing, Suru, because my the basis of my diet is AI out a new protocol service. Very, very of what I how I react to each food. And I I noticed that cutting out a lot of the healthy feel like broccoli. It just made me feel better. And when I, after, I think, after 2 years of Street carnival, I started testing. With different healthy vegetables, because people were were going crazy about microbiome and and fermented food and antioxidant and all that trendy stuff. I'm gonna test if I see any benefit. And, No. Actually, always there seems to be always be a risk, when you eat any pet food. I think the one of the most shocking one was I I don't I don't drink coffee. I can't drink tolerate any caffeine, so I I was looking tea without caffeine.
So I tested calamari, which was supposed to be very, very safe. Then I got, hype. It's all over my body. You said that this is such a innocent innocuous, you know, little tick. I can't believe that it's it's hurting me so bad. So I really have to believe that plans are not just a a bundle of of antioxidants. It's it has toxin. It has Yeah. Different chemicals that there's always a risk. So I I really started to believe that plan is all not this innocuous. It is a little thing that they they are trying to protect themselves as well. And, yeah, Yeah. The same as, iconic garlic. I I there's a lot of things that I just count is, and, Going from a street carnival and testing.
Food on by line, really show me that anti nutrient, there are very few things. And, yeah, and you know how, like, a lot of car, they don't eat vitamin c, and they just they just don't get scurry and people was, don't believe me. But that that is the truth that as soon as I started, introducing back vegetables and started to getting bruises on my skin. So I was showing, symptoms of low vitamin c when I include any types of plant food. But if I remove them and I don't consume any vitamin c, then then I'm fine. I I find that very curious. So, yeah, all of the bio available nutrient, removing anti nutrient, and, I think all three.
[00:23:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. The vitamin c story is also very interesting. I've heard that before as well. Vitamin c is a powerful antioxidants, and and what that does is, it gives back, electrons to to, cells where they get damaged by free radicals. They when the cell gets damaged by free radical, electrons get taken away. Right? So then you need something in in a chain of antioxidants, including vitamin e and other vitamins well, including vitamin c to repair that. And I think that probably when you're eating, things that are hurting you, so like plants, for instance, could be anti nutrients, can be, the glyphosate, the roundup that is sprayed on there, all sorts of things that are hurting you, then you have lots of oxidative stress And they ask you to lead a lot of repair mechanisms like these antioxidants.
But when you don't eat fix that do not hurt you, you might not need that many. Antioxidants. I think that that's probably what it is. Yeah. So and and, yes, ketosis is a is a wonderful thing, especially for fueling the brain because your brain loves ketones. And, yes, I hear people already think, well, not every part of the brain can run on ketones. You really need the glucose, and that is very true, but your body makes enough glucose for your brain. By itself, even if you do not consume glucose by by gluconeogenesis or it does it by itself. So you really don't need to consume it You just, you know, make ketones.
And then, your body, gets the right fuel and is able to to heal itself. So so you cut out the plans there. What about fruits? Because lots of, animal based people like, leave the plants behind, but then they do eat some fruits because fruits do not typically have all of those things that hurt you. But do have some glucose if you need that, that, do you consume any fruits?
[00:25:43] Unknown:
No. Because number 1, they people assume that it doesn't have Any intonucian, which is not true. They do have intonucian. It may be just in a lesser amount because a lot of people call it avocado because there are allergic to the latex. At first, can be addressed as problematic. Actually, my brother's only, allergy reaction is to fruit. So, yeah, I I think they they Did you just say latex? Yeah. If you are who calls, is that related to latex gloves? They they call it avocados. Yeah. Because they had some some of the sick signal of 10. For Val, I forgot what's the but they had the signal. Yeah. There's something new sick.
Yeah. But a lot of people are allergic to a lot a lot of people call it pictures, a lot of people call it, mangoes, So you know that they they have anti nutrients, it just depends on your tolerance. And, I and I think I remember, as bitch, by Fataki, by Doctor Fataki, and he said modern fruit is processed food. I agree. Because, bananas 200, 300 years ago, they are they are not this sweet. They are since they they have a lot too much fiber. They are just not very appetizing, and we've made banana into this high GI dessert thing, and it's just absolutely sweet. It spikes my blood sugar, and it kicked me out of ketosis. So you did I just don't have any reason to consumptions.
[00:27:21] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. That's a good reasoning there. Yeah. And you're completely right. These things most of these things didn't even exist a couple 100 years ago. We just invented them. Yeah, to taste nice and look pretty. Okay. And, I heard you talk on another program that, you do or you did, at least, for some ailments, if you now have an ailment, if you become sick or something, you do take some Chinese medicine in the form of, herbs, Is that simplification and what does that look like?
[00:27:55] Unknown:
Because my my mother is she moved to China to study Chinese medicine. So that was the the basis of her knowledge and What? But when I was coming down with a code or a sick sheet or try fix it with Chinese medicine, which has a lot less side effects. I mean, it's still planned, so you still have a a a price to pay, I guess, but when you're sick, I think that when it makes sense. So she always gave me herbs and the traditional Chinese medicine before she resorts, antibiotics, which I think is really, very bad for you, like, for bio. So, yeah, I think for instance, I think after my second dose of vaccine, I got, a malaria. I lost my menstruced completely after the second dose of vaccine. And, no supplement was playing it back. You know, so it didn't work.
A lot of Western medicine didn't work. And, there were some studies, fenugreek say and fenugreek say is interesting because but men take it, a a post testosterone, the women take it balances the, female hormones, progesterone and estrogen. And, so I started taking fenugreek. Fenugreek see, I bought some seed and started making tea with it. And started to drink it for 1 month. And then that was that was what did the trick, and it worked. So I kind of says, so I will resort to plants when when I'm sick because in that case, the the anti nutrients, it could be a price worth paying or even beneficial in that case.
Yeah.
[00:29:45] Unknown:
Right. And and do you think that maybe also the preparation methods for these types of medicines help in, maybe getting rid of some of the anti nutrients?
[00:29:59] Unknown:
Uh-uh. Yeah. I know I know that Western and I pride test a lot of article studies on how to remove anti nutrients, and I usually follow them if I have to if I have to use any of them, but I I think it's really complicated if you because if you look at traditional Chinese medicine, they don't actually process it that much. Sometimes it is almost as if they want the anti nutrient to be consumed when you're sick because that's what was doing the trick and and Vanderbrook seed. Uh-huh. When I when I sucked it and fermented it and sprouted it, it didn't work. I have to kind of make tea at this roast form. So that's what's interesting. Oh. Well, yeah, and we will say fermented food is the best if you're going to consume any pan food, and it is the opposite for me. Any fermented food cost me digestive distress.
So Yeah. So it depends on your your, I guess, individual by our individual, I'd say, as well.
[00:31:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Definitely. And and probably also on the stage of healing where you're in as in, you know, I can imagine that, you probably had or maybe still have a leaky gut I sure did when I was eating lots of, plant things. And because of that, I had lots of food intolerance and reactions to, to different foods as they leak through the gut barrier and your immune system starts making antibodies to them. So once that is healed, it can take a long time before that immune memory basically, fades and and you heal and then can eat those things again, if ever, you know, some some things I can never eat. Yeah.
So, you mentioned in the beginning that, in the east at least in China, There's a big stigma on, on mental disorders as in they are not recognized, as such, and they just say, well, you're just not thinking the correct way. You you just need to think positive thoughts or something or, which is very difficult. I imagine to grow up in, especially when your mother basically doesn't believe that there's something wrong with you, but that's that you're just thinking the wrong things here. Now that you've been on this journey and you also, showed the results to your to your mother, What does she think now? Did did she completely change her mind also on bipolar and other mental disorders?
[00:32:33] Unknown:
Yeah. She yeah. She's she's surprisingly open minded, and she's studying more open minded as she ages, which is incredible. Yeah, because she Yeah. She didn't she thought she told me I was ungrateful because that's that's what a lot of Asian parent thinks that you're not depressed. You're just ungrateful. You have a roof over. You have what do you have to complain about. I think it was until she experienced depression herself, that she started to say maybe maybe it's real. And, and, yeah, she she could she could feel that something changed. I had it She's and she told me I was too extreme. It just really, bipolar, of course, I'm extremely well.
And then she said, did It that's your personality. Right? And then when I went and I called her and she said, she noticed that there's something differently. My personality is like my personality change, and it's it wasn't my personality. It was the it was the illness. But now she's she's very much, believing what I said, and she's trying to incorporate more meat the property she has been, almost vegan for for 2 decades that even chicken breast is too much for her. So she's She's doing it, little by little.
[00:33:58] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. That that will take a while, but that's a very good change change in mindset there. I I liked that a lot. And I like that that's all brought on by you, by your, curiosity and ability to go online and research this for yourself and then, you know, Be brave enough to actually try to change things, even though you've been told all of your life that you're ungrateful and that this is not a real thing and, you know, you're eating the healthy thing. So I'm really glad that this is working out for you. I'm really glad that it does. Yeah. Me too.
[00:34:38] Unknown:
It's yeah. I think it's a lot of it was curiosity because, people on carnival It's such a extreme diet. Right? And, it it's very difficult to convince someone to go on carnival work, but but when you see the testimonials online, they are the very adjuvant. It's not like, oh, I I think it helps none of the day. Is that it it cured cured my rheumatoid arthritis, it cured my depression. And it was, I saw the effect in that in in month and it's very fast. We were very, very adamant, and, and it was curious because they were not trying to sell me anything. If you were not trying to sell me supplements or or, a coaching session or anything like that address, They were just very, very adamant about the effects of card. It was, like, in 2 weeks, couldn't hurt and 3 weeks 1 months, 3 years, and we just went on.
So, yeah, I'm I'm grateful that people share the experience. They they are probably being seen as the third one by their family members, but they, yeah, but they were the one that spread the word and help a lot of people, I think.
[00:35:51] Unknown:
Yeah. I agree. And, yes, initially, people will be, viewed as the weird ones because the normal thing is to eat all of these unhealthy things and to just to get sick and accept that you're sick because, you know, it's genetics. Right? Can't do anything about that. So, you know, when you're the weird one, you get to show that you can do something about that, and then you you can feel great all the time. You don't have to be tired. You can just work all day and still be sharp. You can do all of these things because that's what humans were designed for if you fuel yourself the right way. But so, yeah, if you think about all of that and people that you know, and people in the world that are struggling, with similar things that you were struggling with.
What would you recommend or advise to people to do?
[00:36:47] Unknown:
I think even though I don't know what percentage of the population could see a good benefit from this diet, but but I know that a lot of people, they are at their risk, and they they they traditional meds didn't work for them. They don't know what to do. They they don't want to deal with all the side effects of the medication, and they don't want to rely on medication forever. And if they those people, if they're open to you, I think, people should give a carnival ketoed retry for at least, to 3 to 6 months, I would say, especially carnival straight card were made only, and keto card was actually easier. We think you you can basically turn off the brain and eat the same food every day. You don't have to calculate macros.
You don't have to avoid all this and that. You don't have to wait. You don't have to do anything. You just hit submit your life and that's it. And still so simple and so easy, and your palate changes really fast that after, I think, a couple of days, I didn't need any spices. Or, dessert or anything. You just really just enjoy the day. It just incredibly easy, and the improvement was really fast. I think even medication take a couple of months to work for depression, but kinda what was 1 or 2 months, and you see the result almost immediately. So I thought, like, 3 months of your life, I think that's the time worth investing.
If people are open to it, Yeah.
[00:38:22] Unknown:
And yeah. I think that's a solid advice. Yeah.
[00:38:26] Unknown:
Is this simple? Is it possible if you're not ready to yes.
[00:38:31] Unknown:
Yeah. Exactly. It is very simple to do, because like you say, you don't have to think about, a whole meal plan or something. Just pick the things that you, can tolerate. Like, if you can't tolerate eggs, that's totally fine. Don't eat eggs. If you can tolerate beef or just mints, Just eat that. Don't worry about, not getting enough nutrients. It's all in there. Just put some salt on there. Eat it. That's it. Don't worry about it not being tasty. You know, it will taste lovely after a couple days. Yeah. Will be nice. Lovely. Okay.
This was, wonderful and inspiring thank you very much for sharing your story today. I think it's, it's very helpful. I hope it helps people as well to inspire them to, Look beyond what the doctors are saying and, you know, use doctor Google, not to scare yourself, insist to inform yourself. Where can people go to, connect with you and find out more?
[00:39:34] Unknown:
I think I'm most active on Twitter. So you can include that to the handle. And people can ask me a question about desires or anything.
[00:39:45] Unknown:
Alright. We'll do that will be in the show notes below this video or, podcast episode if you are listening. Thank you very much. For talking with me today.
[00:39:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for inviting me, and I'll thank you for all the wonderful podcasts you're putting out there. I think you were better for a lot of people.
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