Improving Barry

Share on social media:

In this episode, I talk with Eduard de Wilde who is a biohacker and also runs the company Live Helfi, which is a supplement company in Europe. We talk about:

• Eduard's journey into biohacking and why he does what he does
• We also talk about supplements and how to choose the right ones
• We talk about the healthcare system 
• We talk about the difference between healthspan and lifespan and how to extend those
• And more..

 

• The Live Helfi website: https://livehelfi.com
• Find Eduard here: https://dewilde.com

-------------------------------------------

• Want more content like this? Subscribe to my channel: https://bit.ly/3zpmYbZ 
• For the full transcript, visit: https://www.improvingbarry.com
• Do you want to get the latest health & wellness news in your mailbox? Sign up for my newsletter (I promise not to spam you): https://www.improvingbarry.com/subscribe

Episode timing:

(00:00) Introduction 

(03:18) What is biohacking? 

(08:16) Why do it yourself and not go to the doctor? 

(12:31) How Eduard started his health journey 

(27:12) Why Eduard continues to biohack after he was healed 

(32:14) Eduard coaches people to improve their health 

(37:50) How willpower is finite 

(42:19) The changing food industry 

(48:17) Does Eduarqd want to live forever? 

(56:03) What does Eduard eat? 

(01:03:31) Eduard's 90/10 system 

(01:07:13) What health metrics does Eduard measure?  

(01:15:00) Finding the relationship between lifestyle and health 

(01:19:46) Saturated fat doesn't work for Eduard 

(01:22:52) How Eduard started his company Live Helfi 

(01:26:14) How to pick quality supplements 

(01:29:54) Eduard created his own brand of supplements 

(01:40:33) Should everybody take supplements?  

(01:42:48) What health gadgets doe Eduard use? 

(01:51:38) Practical tips to improve your health

[00:00:09] Barry Luijbregts:

Well, hello there and welcome to another episode of the improving Barry podcast   where I learn about health and wellness from experts.   And this week, I talk with Eduard de Wilde, who is a biohacker   and also runs the company Live Healthy, which is a supplement company in Europe.   We speak about his journey into biohacking   and why he does what he does.   We also talk about supplements and how to choose the right ones. We talk a little bit about the health care system   and many, many more things, including the difference between healthspan and lifespan and how to extend those.   So without further ado here is my conversation with Eduard de Wilde.  

Thank you very much for your time and   for your hospitality.   We're recording this in your house,   which is, by the way, a great house. I love this   environment always. I come around here sometimes near Sust for a customer.   It's always it's just lovely here because it's so green. Yeah. And that that's what I like as well,  

[00:01:16] Unknown:

to live in a in a in a green neighborhood so that   when   it's afternoon, then you can take a walk outside. The forest is very close to our home, and then you can have that ball thing in the forest. And Yeah. Yeah. I like it very much. Yep. Do you work from home a lot?   A 100%.   Oh. Yeah. That's nice. Yeah. So we had an office.   And then when the corona started,   we were not able to go to the office anymore.   And   then my office manager,   she decided to move to the south of the Netherlands.   And that was the moment that I thought, okay. Now we can become a virtual company. And so our   colleagues, they are working from all other places   in the Netherlands, but we even have one in Finland   Oh. Working for the company. So,   yeah, I like it, and I like to create my own man cave   and and have all the tools available.  

And   we   the risk is that you can   work   24 hours per day. Yeah. But that's more   how much discipline you have to take your rest and to do other things   and to stop   on time.  

[00:02:34] Barry Luijbregts:

Yeah. And how much that might bother your significant other potentially?  

[00:02:39] Unknown:

Yeah. I think   she is   even more eager   because she's working in the company as well. She's the CMO,   and   I have to stop her.   So if I work   if I can't   keep working, then she will keep working as well. So   we don't have a discussion that I work too much.   Okay. That's good. It's more the other way around. Yeah. Okay. That's good. Yep.  

[00:03:08] Barry Luijbregts:

We're talking about your company, Live Healthy. Yep.   We'll be we'll revisit that topic later on as well when we go to through your journey here. Yeah.   In the intro,   I spoke about that you are a biohacker.   Yep.   And we see some stuff here. We can talk about that later as well. Can you explain maybe what biohacking is, what a biohacker is, and why you even do that?  

[00:03:34] Unknown:

Yeah. A biohacker   wants to influence   his or her   biochemical process in his body in order to improve   his physical or mental   or both performance, so to create an upgraded version of yourself.   And the idea is that how you feel normally   should not be normal.   And   and that's that's very interesting to to see and to discover   what different elements of your lifestyle   that can help you to become a better version of yourself. And   and also   a very important aspect of being a biohacker is that you want to be   as quantified as as much as possible   so that you   can   make decisions   based on data.  

So I measure a lot, and   and   what is good for you is not per se good for another. So it's Yeah. I think the it's science based. Most of the biomarkers are fairly science based,   effect based.  

[00:04:43] Barry Luijbregts:

So you do things that make you feel better and enhance your performance.   This sounds a lot like   it's something for   athletes   and CEOs and busy people like that. Is this also  

[00:04:57] Unknown:

is is that true? Yeah. There are there are different segments in the market and different goals. So,   yeah, you have those   professionals that want to perform,   especially,   it's very hard for me to pronounce.   And   but also   you have the health   optimization   segment,   and they have an issue in their life, and they use their lifestyle in order to improve their health. Yeah.   But you have also those,   athletes. You have   people, they are more focused on increasing the health spend so that they can age in a better way.   And and others, they want to look healthy or just want to lose weight. So there are all different goals in in in your life that you can use   as a reason to   get into the biohacking   lifestyle.  



[00:05:55] Barry Luijbregts:

Like, I'm just trying to wrap my mind about this. So it's not just about performance and feeling better. It can also be about   healing things. Yep. So creating better health for yourself. Yep.  

[00:06:07] Unknown:

And the fact, maybe that's the basis.   Because if your health is in place,   then you already   can see improvements   in cognition, in concentration,   in athletic performance, in everything.   So I think that's   that's the core   of your health. And then  

[00:06:27] Barry Luijbregts:

this is then something you do yourself. You measure things yourself, and you do things yourself. Why don't you just go to the doctor?  

[00:06:35] Unknown:

Because the doctor is more into   healing diseases.   Yeah. And,   and   especially   if you have a issue   that's not clear for a doctor   and not very specific   Yeah. Then most of them,   they don't have an answer for that. So they don't   they are not educated   to   to help you to   to   to use the self healing   cap capabilities of your body,   and they are more focused on, okay, you have an issue with your skin or you have   you are ill,   and how can we   find a solution for that? And most of them most of those solutions are medicine based.   While   the more fake   issues that people have,   many of them can be solved by improving your lifestyle and making sure that you   because those self healing capabilities of your body, they   it's amazing what you can do. Yeah. And I want, claim,   that   you can heal all your disease yourself. That's not what I want to say. Yeah. But there are many things that you can improve yourself, and   just by giving your body   the energy that it needs in order to,   yeah,   to do what it can do. Yeah. Yeah.  



[00:08:15] Barry Luijbregts:

Let's go down the rabbit hole here.   Let me sum that up a little bit. What I just heard was so the if you go to the doctor, they focus on the disease.   So let's say you have a rash on your skin. They say, all right, you have something on your arm. So it's arm related.   We need to give you a medicine for your arm or a cream or something like that. May and maybe it's something else.   And you were saying the in biohacking, you look more at health and actually   providing your body with the means to heal itself. Yep. Now   if I heard this for the first time, and I've been hearing this for   many times from many, experts over lots of years. But if I would heard hear this for the first time, I would say, well, that's very strange. Right? Why wouldn't the doctor   or Standard Healthcare focus on healing your body and enabling your body to heal itself? Why is that?  



[00:09:07] Unknown:

That's a good question.   I don't blame   doctors that they do it because they are educated in that way, and the whole health care system   is organized in this way.   So I I don't think that you can blame   individuals that are working in this space,   but that's the way how it's organized. And, of course, you have   the very, very powerful lobby of the pharmaceutical industry,   and   they are because they are   profit organizations, they just want   to   to keep it this way. Yeah. But more and more   medical doctors, they   they discover   that   lifestyle can be   a huge tool for people   to improve their health.  

So you see more and more medical doctors diving into the lifestyle and   and   bringing that into practice when they talk to their patients   and suggest them   to change their lifestyle. So I think   it's emerging,   and it will be more and more because the the the costs are rising.   So   I think the society becomes more and more aware   that if we continue   to   consider health   as   a as a medical medicine,   system   that we can't afford it anymore in the near future, so that we need to look at more prevention.   And if you talk about prevention, then you talk about lifestyle.  

[00:10:51] Barry Luijbregts:

Yep. But yeah. And that's probably the issue because lifestyle, you you can't   patent it or charge it. That's the issue because  

[00:11:01] Unknown:

the   as I said, you want to make decision   as science based as possible. And if there are no funds   for lifestyle   research   because there is no business model behind it Yeah.   Then it it it becomes very hard to   to get the resources   available   to help people   with their lifestyle.   That's that's also for supplements.   The pharmaceutical industry has way more budget than the supplement companies. Yeah. So that's why they can always win   the discussion,   which is more   more science based, clinical   based.   There's more reason,   to give you a medicine than to think about the supplement or or another,   tool   that is it's very cost effective.  

If you don't eat,   that's the cheapest biohacking tool that you can imagine. Yeah. Yeah. But there is no business model behind not eating. Yeah. And,   and cold shower or an ice bath or   breathing or whatever.  

[00:12:17] Barry Luijbregts:

Yeah. Yeah. Although companies are trying to do that. There's people that are writing books. There's obviously people that make supplements, for instance, that can be very expensive. So that prevention   world and economy is also growing   in size.   Yep. Yep. So maybe let's look at an example and then   we might circle back as to why you are actually biohacking.   Because I knew I know that at some point you were very ill, right? And that started your journey. Could you talk about that?  

[00:12:47] Unknown:

Yeah. Then we have to go back to 1999,   and   I went to   Cameroon with France. And   and   it's a malaria   area, and so I had to take a prophylaxis, and that was Lariam.   And do I   and that's what I know now, many side effects.   You take Lariam That's anti malaria pill. Yep. Yeah. It's a prophylaxis, and   they originally, they created it   to heal people with malaria,   and then they started to use it as a prevention   tool. But   I think that was not a good idea because there are just too many people   who suffer from those side effects.   And you can become very   anxious   from it.  

People even commit suicide after taking Wow. Those pills.   And I suffered from a severe   anxiety and panic disorder. So the moment that I came back from Cameroon, I didn't dare to go into   an airplane anymore.   When I walked   on the street, I thought I would die on the spot.   So that was quite tough. And And that didn't go away when you stopped with the pills?   No. It started when I took my last pill. Oh, terrible. And the the first the first period, I didn't know what happened,   and people told me, okay. You have a burnout, so you have to go to the   therapies   for burnout,   but I had a lot of energy still. So Yeah. Normally, when you have a burnout, then   you are lacking energy, but   I I was capable of doing everything.  

But I suffered from that huge tension. So that huge tension also on my head that was there   all day,   and I went to work, then I could   be productive 1 or 2 hours per day, and the rest of the day, I was just   exhausted because of the tension. And   so I I I tried   all those burnout therapies   for 1 year, then somebody some somebody asked me, okay. What did you take   when you went to Cameroon? And then I told them it's Lariam, and then said and then there was a medical doctor, and he said, okay.   Then it's clear to me because you have to dive into those side effects, and then everything felt in place. And   and then I started   because still   I thought, okay, The regular medical therapies, that is my way to go because   that's what you I used to do. That's what Yeah. That's what and   so   I tried everything that you can imagine and not only the medical therapy,   antidepressants,   cognitive therapy,   everything,   but also the complementary   therapies.  

Because you were labeled as having psychological problems, basically. Yeah. Because if you have an anxiety disorder, then you have a psychology   psychological,  

[00:16:15] Barry Luijbregts:

problem. And you need to take psychotherapy and do all the Yeah. Talk therapy Yep. To  

[00:16:21] Unknown:

uncover your problems and solve them that way. Yeah. But the the the problem is that your   your brain is damaged. Yeah. And   and so there's an issue with the neurotransmitters,   and and that's also a physical problem. Yeah. And and they tried to solve it with antidepressants.   But   after 8 years of using those,   I learned that they are only effective in the 1st 6 weeks. And if they don't solve the issue, then it doesn't make sense anymore to to take them.   But   it wasn't a period that I just trusted   medical doctors and the psychiatrist and everyone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And   but then   after 6 years,   the psychiatrist, he said,   okay.  

It's damaged.   You tried everything.   You just have to learn to live with it because it won't   you won't be able to heal yourself. It it won't be cured.   And   and that's   quite an issue because if you can't function properly   in the business setting because I at the moment that I went to Cameroon, I also became a partner in the consultancy company.   Successful job.   And if you combine that with   an anxiety and panic disorder,   that's not a good combination.   So I thought, okay. That means that   I can't perform anymore. I can't function anymore, and that's not the way I want to live my life because it's if you   are 40 years old, then   or   I was 38 or whatever.  

That was not my   my destiny life to live like this. And   and then someone told me to look at Mark Sisson's website and Mark Sisson   Mark's daily Apple. Yeah.   And   he talked a lot about food, the paleo lifestyle, eating   whole foods, low carb,   and I was just eating the regular   the western diet. Yeah.   And Here in the Netherlands. Yeah. High carb. Just sandwiches all day. Sandwiches   and   also processed food, everything   because I thought that was healthy.  

[00:18:49] Barry Luijbregts:

But then I And nobody ever asked about it? No. Your doctor, nobody No. Told talked about it? No. And  

[00:18:56] Unknown:

it's not even   just the idea that it could be   your food,   it's totally   not   not connected   to the disease that I   that I had.   The fact that you could have another   psychological problem, but more a neuroplasmid a problem, and the fact that if you change something in your food could help,   with an issue that that was just   unimaginable.   She said.   I thought, okay.   Because I also was quite overweight.   Because you can imagine that if you suffer from that disorder, then   eating and drinking more   helps you, gives you more comfort.   And so I thought, okay. Maybe I should first start to lose my weight, and,   and that's   when I just applied everything that Marxism   told in his book as well. Yeah.  

And   so   I   changed,   my   my food   drastically   and   and immediately started to feel better.   And that was very interesting.   So I   if   the   and I can advise people to read his books.   The primal blueprint was the first book,   and and he talks about the ten principles   of his lifestyle.   I also started to   exercise,   to do weight training, to,   you know, to to to apply all the things that that he advised,   and it kept improving and improving. So I I got more energy. I felt better. I had less   anxiety.   And I thought, okay. This is a very interesting path.   Let's   go deeper and deeper.  

I started to listen to the podcast of   American thought leaders.   So Wolf, he's also the paleo guy,   and Ben Greenfield   and Dave Esprit.   He is the founder of Bulletproof,   and he claims that he is the   the father of biohacking.   And and that's when I discovered his podcast   and discovered bulletproof coffee and   and the way he talked about bioethinking, I thought, okay, this is very interesting because   I was a a digital consultant.   So I helped companies, corporates with their digital strategy.   And that   that fact based approach,   also using technology,   I I   found it fascinating.  

And,   yeah, so I started to   apply   different biohacks that he advised, and   and I kept   improving.   And, yeah, in the end,   I   think after   8 years or 10 years, I thought, okay.   Now   I should consider   to be healed.   And,   yeah. And,   and   even more,   I have more energy.   I can better focus   when I go to work.   So I feel better now   than 20 years ago. So that's   and that's   when I discovered that I thought, okay, I had to find my way.   I've   dived into   my health and how your body works   for 15 years,   And I want to share my experience because   it would be a shame if other people in the same situation   would also need to spend 15 years of their life,   finding out  

[00:23:14] Barry Luijbregts:

how they can help themselves. You found something very special because Yeah. You used to just believe in this other system that didn't help you, and even after 6 years, only came to   incredible   incredibly long time. Yeah. You never ever made a connection with food or lifestyle, which is just baffling to me. But okay. And then you found this incredible thing, which is simple fact based   common sense,  

[00:23:41] Unknown:

really. Yeah. Yeah. It's common sense, but   you   you should imagine that   in that time,   the online resources were not that available as they are now. Yeah. So now you have a permit. You can dive into all research yourself.   Yeah. And those resources,   they were not there. So   everything was still very offline.   So, for example, Lariam, there was no information   available online. If you now search for Lariam, then   you can   make the decision yourself if you want it or not. Although there's so much information that is very hard Yes. To to register. Something. Yes. Yeah. And so you have to know what the resources you can trust and which one you can't trust, but at least they are available now.   And so you can now find everything about food, about red light, about  

[00:24:45] Barry Luijbregts:

all the tools that I use. And That's a big change that,   happens and now enables people, I think, because it used to be, like you said, offline.   The only resource that you really had for medical information was your doctor. Or you would get a book from the library, which is all medical jargon, and you have no idea what it really means. And it's too much to just dig through. Yeah.   We each listened to the expert who was a doctor. He he studied for, I don't know   how   long. And now you can look it all up yourself,   which is a good thing. And sometimes not like you alluded to, there's so much   you can find.  

If I Google now, I can find 10 studies that say coffee is good for me. And maybe also 10 that say you shouldn't have coffee because you might die in 5 years if you do.   You have to choose carefully what to believe. Yep. But you found   your leaders in Marxism and others. Yeah. And  

[00:25:38] Unknown:

I stick to those leaders. And that's, for me,   very important   because I trust them.   The ones that I mentioned are very science based, and   and it works for me.   So   I just   keep following   their publications.   And   the more I get educated myself, I know   what stuff they are talking about makes sense or not. And   so it becomes more easy for me to   to choose the right topic, the right information, the right source.   But   I think the moment that you and that's what I when I talk to other people, they get distracted   every time because then they hear something else, and then Yeah. They   they are in doubt whether they should change.  

So, for example, if you are an omnivore,   then they think, okay, they read the study   about the vegan diet, and then they immediately switch to the vegan diet. Yeah. Right. And   but for me, it's   just what I learned,   what works for me,   I stick to it and   keep   trying to improve it. Yeah.  

[00:26:58] Barry Luijbregts:

Okay. That's very important.   Pick the sources that you trust Yeah. Based on what you know at the time. Yeah. You learn more, and then you see if they if you still trust them. Maybe they're saying stuff that you didn't understand previously.   Yeah. And then do what works for you. Yep.   So your initial why is very clear. You were very sick, and it solved your illness. And now you're no longer disabled because, basically, that's what the doctor said to you. You now have a disability. That's correct. So that's incredible.   So why do you still do it now that you're healed?  



[00:27:30] Unknown:

When you   go back to the first part of our conversation,   the moment that you   give the body what it needs,   then you can   you immediately   start to feel better. So   when it first was a health issue,   now I use it as a   a performance tool   to get the energy that I need   to Yeah. To be able to be focused in my work   and to   stay healthy   because I'm aging, and and I want to stay as energetic as possible   when I age. Yeah. And   so   the benefits   the moment that you apply all those principles are   are so huge   that it would be a shame   that now that I solve my issue   to lose those   positive side effects of those lifestyle.  

And   to be honest,   I   I don't want to risk   falling back into that old   situation when I had the disease.   So I want to   also to prevent   because it was   black extremely black period.   Yeah. And when I when I'm too stressed,   I feel   it's still somewhere in my body is still there.   And when I'm too stressed,   too exhausted,   then   I get those warning signals   that I should take care of myself.   So   that that's also very important for me, a very   important driving factor of maintaining,   this lifestyle.  

[00:29:29] Barry Luijbregts:

Yeah. Yeah.   And, by the way, that's a, a guinea pig in the fact   that that you might be   on the radio. He's having tongue.   Something. I don't know.   Okay.   You mentioned   earlier as well, you now feel better than you even did before you got ill. Yep.   So I have the same   before I,   let's say, worked on myself. I'm not completely fixed yet. I keep improving. That's why this is the improving Barry show, and I learned from experts.   But before that time,   I felt so terrible and I didn't even know that I was feeling   bad. Yeah. So now that I'm feeling a lot better,   I now only now I realize how bad I felt and how   little energy I really had.  



[00:30:18] Unknown:

Yeah. That's why I like the phrase   how you feel normally should not be normal. Yeah. You feel like crap syndrome.   Yeah. If that's your normal, then you are not aware of your capabilities.   And   and it's quite hard   to convince people. So if you invite people to adapt   those different elements of that lifestyle,   it's very hard to convince those people because they   most people   don't have an issue or at least they don't think they have an issue.   And when they have to change their   food habits,   that's quite   threatening   for them   because they don't want to change their food because they like their food. They want to eat their bread and their the French fries and Of course. Whatever. That's what it's going for. Yeah.  

And   and   it's extremely hard to convince people   to change those   habits in order to feel better   when they don't have an issue yet. So that's why   I think 90%,   maybe 95%   of the people that are active in the bio vaccine   had an l an health issue.   They they were confronted with an issue that they couldn't solve, that the medical   doctors couldn't solve. They had to heal themselves, and then they discovered that they even can improve   themselves.   And that's something, yeah,   that's, I think, the biggest challenge for the bioaching scene is how they can   invite people,   motivate people that don't feel that they have an issue Yep. To apply those different   hacks for themselves   so that they have the opportunity   to be more happy and   feeling better.  



[00:32:14] Barry Luijbregts:

Yeah. Exactly.   I I couldn't agree more. I think most people,   don't feel that well, but they just don't know Yeah. Because they think it's normal. I go to work. I have my children.   Of course, I'm tired because I don't sleep enough because I have to get up early to go to work, stand in traffic. Yeah. Or some tired. That's just part of life. I'm getting older, so it's normal. Yeah. But it might not be. Yeah.   And like you said,   most books that you buy from in the biohacking or health and wellness scene always start with the story of I was ill, and then I solved it with something. It's a hero story. The hero story. Yeah.   And   we want to apply this to a broader audience.  

I run into this myself a lot, and I try now to just not say anything to people anymore about their choices in food or health and wellness,   because I don't want to   impose on them, let's say. And it often feels like they're like,   don't bother us with that nonsense, with that alternative medicine   stuff,   Because it's not science based. You're not a doctor. You don't know what you're talking about.   So how do you deal with that? Because you also do coaching, right? Now those are people that actively come to you, I can imagine. Yeah. But do you also apply it in your regular life, let's say,   with people around you, with your family?  



[00:33:38] Unknown:

No.   I   so to answer the your last question,   I   only   want to inform people   that want to hear the things that I can share.   I'm not a missionary because   you are not getting popular when you   when you become a missionary   because   what I said, they consider it threatening   when you talk about changing   the different habits.   And I only work with people that are motivated   to   to make changes. And that's and   if you don't   want to make those changes, then please go to another person because I don't want it. Yeah. Because I I   I I have a certain amount of energy that I can spend on things, and I only want to spend it on   people that are open for the conversation.  

And   but then still,   when they are motivated,   you have   to make very small   steps   because the   you have different levels of applying all the different tools.   For example,   cold therapy   is it's very beneficial.   Yeah. But if you   recommend people to   build their own   ice bath as I have at home Yeah.   And to   step into the ice bath at 0 degrees in the morning   to   to become refreshed and start your day activated,   then, you know, that's a bridge too far. So I just advised him just to try   a cold shower to   to   to   use the cold and the heat   next to each other   so that   it's just   so that the threshold   becomes very low.  

They can feel it,   and the moment that they start to feel it, then they can   increase their efforts and to go to the next level. So they have to make   very small steps that people can implement in their current lifestyle   and not do all the things at the same time.   And   so, for example, also the food,   when people already start to   to get rid of the processed foods,   to   switch to whole food,   That's already a huge step. Yeah. And then they already can feel it. Yeah. And   I don't talk about the ketogenic diet and   being in ketosis and the benefits of ketosis with them because   that's way too far. And   and I coach   the local   golf team. They are playing   in the highest   level in in the Netherlands, and,   some of them, they want to become a professional golfer.  

And I also learned coaching them that I have to be very careful   how much they can change. I'm   extremely happy when they even   apply only 10% or 20% of the things that I advise them   because then that makes already a difference. So every step little step that you make can make a difference.   And improving your performance, it's the idea that   if you   change 1 percentage   at one day,   when you it adds up and it's it starts to   grow exponentially. So the benefits start to   go exponentially when you just only change 1 percentage   per day   in your lifestyle. And that's, I think, that's extremely important   that people   make small steps, but keep doing those, taking those small steps.  

And then it adds up and it adds up, and then   it's it starts to   to manifest in the in their in the way how they feel. Yeah.  

[00:37:52] Barry Luijbregts:

And that is very difficult.   So I think it's very good that you say it. You start with small steps that have the biggest impact. Yep. And show a result relatively quickly so that the people then Yep. Are motivated to keep doing what whatever that step was. Let's say it's taken vitamin d, for instance, or whatever it might be because change is very difficult. It's very difficult, and that's  

[00:38:15] Unknown:

another part   of making it a success is   trying to create a habit,   and and   it takes   quite some time. So   I take a 100 days as a as a golden rule to create a habit. Yes.   And if you consider those elements   as a necessary   part of your life   and apply it every day and you start just with a paper and you tick the box every day that you apply that habit,   then after a 100 days, then it can be   a part of your your system. And the ones the moment that it's part of your system,   you can add other things as well because then   you don't have to think about it anymore because Yeah. It's just   brushing your teeth.  

It's part of your life.   And and that's why I do most of my   most of my hacks early in the morning   because then I know   that's my daily ritual.   It's part of my habits, my routine,   and   and I don't have to think anymore. I don't need willpower anymore to apply it.   If you think about taking ice bath,   you you say,   do I want it or do I or I don't want it? That's   every time you have to make the decision, and it that will cost you a certain amount of energy. Yeah.   And and I don't think about it anymore.   So it cost it doesn't cost me any willpower anymore. Yeah. Because it's a habit and and willpower is finite.  

[00:39:58] Barry Luijbregts:

So you have just a certain amount and at some days, it's just a bit less because  

[00:40:03] Unknown:

maybe the sun doesn't shine or something else is happening. Yeah. That's the whole idea behind the willpowers is that it's   you have that certain amount,   per day.   The end of the day when you become tired, you don't have that much willpower left.   So   if you do something, if you want to change something   that cost you willpower, then do it in the morning because then you have enough. But if you come home, you are in the car   from your work   driving home,   and then you go to the fuel station, and then you have all those   can be.  

That's the issue for for most people that they   they don't have that resistance anymore   to buy   cheap,   satisfying   food   because   they don't have the willpower   yet to resist that that urge to buy it.  

[00:41:03] Barry Luijbregts:

And well, I never thought about it that way. So that would mean that it's a bad idea to go shopping   at night   when you're tired and maybe hungry.  

[00:41:14] Unknown:

Yeah. If you I think the worst idea is to go shopping   at 5 PM   before dinner. Okay. Because, indeed, you are hungry, you're tired,   and you want to   because   the urge to satisfy   your body, your brain,   when it's lacking energy   is so powerful.   And that's all those products,   they are designed   for it   to satisfy you at that specific moment. That's only a short period of time. The the food industry is extremely sophisticated   in giving   the people   what the body   demands for.   And   and if you are tired, you want and you are tensed.   You want that that sure   that gives you that that moment of relaxation.  



[00:42:07] Barry Luijbregts:

And Yeah. So the short term fix. So It's a short term fix. So they're not very good in giving you the nutritional   value that you need to actually satisfy   your needs, but just a short term fix so that you come back again in an hour or so to do the same thing. Yeah. That's the the problem with the food industry is that they are not focused on the niche nutritional value  

[00:42:26] Unknown:

because that doesn't sell.   They are focused   on taste   Yeah. On giving you that satisfaction because then you will   keep buying it. And Yes. Yeah. It's their business. It's their business. Yeah.   Yeah.   And, yeah, can you blame it? Can you blame them? I don't know. It's the way our society is organized. But   I hope that   at a certain point of time, we can empower people with information that they make the right decisions because when they make other decisions, then the food industry will change, and that's it's already happening. Yeah. So you can see the big, food companies, they are already   more focused on   functional foods.  

They   are becoming aware of the fact that food   is doing something in your body, and   so it's it will change.   I'm very confident that   the the   the offering   will change the method in the coming   10   years. I really hope so. It will. I really hope so. Yeah. I love your optimism.  

[00:43:34] Barry Luijbregts:

I'm not yet that optimistic yet, but I I try to   get some optimism from the people that I speak to.  

[00:43:43] Unknown:

Also, if you look at prevention, then there are many people,   they blame the government   that they   don't   put enough effort in   in prevention,   and they are still spending so much money   on the medical system and medicines, etcetera. But   there are many initiatives,   and the big   health insurance companies, they are investing a lot of money in those prevention schemes. So   I'm   there is a lot happening   behind the surface, and   and also   if you talk about the food companies,   you can see it's fact factual   that they are   investing,   buying other companies that   build those functional food brands. So they see that it's an emerging trend. And,   yeah,   it although   I don't know whether the vegan trend because it's also if you talk about business, I don't know if that's   going to help people.  



[00:44:53] Barry Luijbregts:

You mean the things like Beyond Meat and the Impossible Burger, stuff like that? Yeah.  

[00:44:58] Unknown:

And the problem with the vegan   trend is that   the   sustainability   issue   and the health issue, they are   combined   when they want to convince people to start a vegan diet. So   many young people, they start a vegan diet because of sustainability.   Yeah. And   and that's a shame because they should be informed also about the nutritional value of the vegan diet and what you are lacking and what is good for you when you eat some meat or fish or   because those are the most nutritional   dense food.   But then I thought instead of if you talk about meat,   then people   know that their argument is   it's not sustainable because it's   environmental   issues.  

That's the reason why you should not eat meat. But I then I think, why can't you create   a meat industry   which is sustainable with healthy   cows that are eating from the grass   with a circular business system   and make sure that people eat less meat, but eat healthier meat that are grown in a circular way. And I think the the issue is that those discussions are   intertwingled,   and people don't use the right argument for one discussion and the right argument for the other discussion. It's a very complex issue. Yep. And like you say,  

[00:46:44] Barry Luijbregts:

it's driven by   climate change or at least Yep. That's part of the conversation. Yep. The other conversation is health. Yep. And then it   we're also talking about industrial raised meat versus,   other meat that is grass fed and unsustainable   farms. Yep. So there's a lot of nuance and context there, so it's a very difficult   conversation.   Next week, I'm talking with   Jane Rees Buxton who wrote the   very large book Plant Based Con. Yep. And she   discusses all of this stuff in a 20 hour audio book that I listen to.   So that just to show you how complex that issue actually is.  

And it's also influenced from all sorts of sides with,   with money and marketing   to make it even more complex for the normal consumer to cut to the   truth. So what's real? And   we we then you also get to health and is meat contains fat? Is fat bad for you? The whole LDL thing. Yep. Yes? No? Sometimes   it depends. Yep. It's a very complex issue. Yep. So if we circle back to that, so there are lots of these complex issues   with keto, with vegan, with all these   extremes of diets. You have the carnivore diets. You can be completely vegan. You can be in the middle. But on the complete other side, there's the, let's call it standard Western diet with all the processed food. We know that's bad. We should stay away from that. And then we can choose from all these other things.   See what works for you.  

Let's   for a minute, just circle back to the the why question.   As in, does it really matter? Now for you, it does because you were ill, you solved it, but you feel better now than before.   Most people don't have that like we discussed, and most people, they have no idea that they might not be feeling as well.   And most people then say, it doesn't really matter for me. I'm doing fine. I'm just eating whatever I want,   which is also a value in itself.   They do what they want. They just   but you don't have to exercise if you don't want to. Maybe you do. They just have a certain lifestyle that they seem to like and enjoy,   and it doesn't matter. They just accept the consequences of, in the future, I might get sick and die, but then again, we might too.  

Yep. Yep. So does it really matter if they do something?   As in, do you think that the things that you are doing maybe   prolong your life,   or is there something else?  

[00:49:15] Unknown:

I don't think that   it will   increase my life span.   And   there are many   bioethics, and DataSp is the most important one   who wants to live till 180.   And   I don't care about how old I become,   but more how healthy I will live the rest of my life because the   I'm extremely afraid of the example of the current   older people   that I see   with   above 80 years old,   they don't have a high quality   of their life because they are sitting in a chair. They can't walk properly anymore. Yeah. They're just sitting there all day watching television   and waiting till the end.  

That's   not what I want. So I'm very motivated   to   stay active as long as possible.   So my my ideas, and that's Mark Sisson's quote, is live long and drop that.   I hope that I, at a certain moment, I just drop that   and not   that the medical profession will   extend my life, although there is no quality of life anymore.   That's my drive. Yeah. It's   in combination with   my ID that I perform better   just   at work   when I   apply those principles. So it's about performance for me   and about   increasing my health spend.   And,   yeah,   and I don't blame people when they don't want to spend   a lot of effort on it. And   although,   also, my friends are already complaining   about the fact that they get more weight, that they   perceive   pain   in their knees, in their Yeah. Whatever,   that they don't have that energy anymore that they used to have.  

People start to complain, but they just accept that it's part of life and It's part of getting older. It's part of getting older. And   yeah.  

[00:51:37] Barry Luijbregts:

So that's the difference as in   people might accept   that it's part of getting older that you get all these complaints and maybe less mobility   and less life, basically, less quality of life. So your health span, the time that you spent living healthy,   is just a certain amount that's just part of life. And then maybe 10 or 20 years, you just suffer a little bit, and then you die. Yep.   And your motivation is, I just want that time to be as short as possible Yep. And increase my health span right there. Yeah. And the the developments  

[00:52:08] Unknown:

in the   antiaging research, they are   huge. And   and you can also there are scientists. They just say, okay.   If you look at what's happening now in   this,   billions are invested in antiaging research,   is that   we don't have the   capabilities to   extend life yet.   So we have to,   maintain our body till the moment that we have those medicines and the real antiaging medicines in place.   And and   so what I am talking about is, I think, more about maintenance.   And   so you   your body is aging.   There are all those   different pillars of aging   creating damage in your body.  

And what you can do with your lifestyle is to keep that damage   as much in control as possible. That's what you aim for. Yeah.   Yeah. And then   and then it's   you have to wait till those breakthroughs,   research, and then maybe you can reverse aging. And that's I don't know. I don't I don't know if I will be   alive when those breakthrough will be there, but   it will happen. I think between now and 50 years,   you can expect   that you can solve   different aging issues,   reverse aging, and maybe even become a younger person again   and even become immortal. And,   and then you have all those philosophical   issues with how do we deal with people who are not dying anymore. But Send them to Mars.  

Send them to Mars. Yeah.   That's why,   Elon Musk is investing   in a space program. Yeah.  

[00:54:05] Barry Luijbregts:

But   you're not interested in living longer?  

[00:54:09] Unknown:

No.   Because I don't think   that   the   treatments   that are available at the moment   will increase your lifespan.   I just don't believe it because your body is so complex,   and they they even don't understand   the whole metabolism   in your body yet. So   they are   in the beginning of   discovering the different   pathways   and   and the reasons why you age.   And you can   target different   aging processes,   but I really don't know if you target one process is if that's enough   to extend your life your lifespan because   I don't know. Nobody knows.   Yeah. And they are practicing on   on mice, and then you can see that certain   treatments   extend the lifespan of mice, but you don't know if it's the same for human beings. So   there's there's no evidence yet in my opinion. Yeah. We just have to either  

[00:55:22] Barry Luijbregts:

take a supplement and hope for the best. Yeah. But that's what bioethakers do. They  

[00:55:28] Unknown:

because they can't afford to wait till there are clinical trials on human beings. So what bioethakers do is they, okay,   If   it is successful on mice   and   knows   no known   side effects   when taking it, then why shouldn't I take it? Because you never know if it works.   Yeah. Because if there is a good   reasoning behind it   Yeah. Why not?  

[00:55:56] Barry Luijbregts:

Yeah. If it doesn't hurt, yeah, and you can afford it, of course, and it fits in your lifestyle. Yeah.  

[00:56:01] Unknown:

Okay.  

[00:56:04] Barry Luijbregts:

We've now covered the why.   Let's get into the the what and the how of the biohacking.   Yeah. So you've already   alluded to that you've done lots of stuff to improve your health, get rid of the illness, and now feel better.   There are many things to this. I am very curious about what you eat now and what you don't eat.  

[00:56:29] Unknown:

I eat a whole food diet,   low carb,   no grains,   no gluten,   no   lactose.   I don't eat   at least 14, 16 hours per day.   I'm now a little bit experimenting with 1 meal a day.   It's   so it's most of the time   ketogenic.   I'm on and off.   Can you explain to people what that is? Yeah. And so that's that means that you   when you start eating very low carb,   then   your body doesn't get enough energy from   sugars that are  

[00:57:18] Barry Luijbregts:

in the carbs. Yeah. So carbohydrates convert to sugars. So carbohydrates are things like pasta, bread, potatoes.  

[00:57:24] Unknown:

Yep. Okay. There's a in almost all food,   there are carbs in it. Yeah. But somewhat have more carbs than other foods. And   the moment and that's not more generic when you come below 25 grams   of carbs per day,   then your body needs to   use fat as a fuel source.   And the moment that you   that fat is becoming the dominant fuel source, then you become in the status of   ketosis,   and   that's then you are mainly using fat   for fuel.   And that's what you're doing. And that's what I I, most of the time, aim for. Yeah. And   and   some periods,   I'm very strict. So then I'm in full ketosis all the time,   and I can see that it's it boosts my sleep quality,   and   I need less sleep. So the the quality of sleep is better. I need less sleep, and,   I see   boost   in cognition   and   concentration.  

And it's   there are many advocates   of the ketogenic diet that focus on   losing weight, but   that's for me, it's not   the ultimate   goal   for being aikido. I think it's more   the power of that   energy, the constant energy that you have during the day. You don't have those   ups and downs during the day in your energy, you know, and   that's an extremely powerful   instrument for me. Yeah.  

[00:59:06] Barry Luijbregts:

And you say then you do that with a a whole food real food diet. Yep. Is that mostly meat and fat, or do you also eat vegetables? Yeah. So it's  

[00:59:16] Unknown:

meat, fish, vegetables,   and   once a day, once a week, we don't eat   meat or fish at all.   So meat and vegetables, that's my   regular   approach.  

[00:59:30] Barry Luijbregts:

Yeah. And how do you eat ketogenic without meat or fish   or on that day you don't eat ketogenic?  

[00:59:38] Unknown:

Yeah. It's   I'd then I take, for example, it's no. Vegan is not it's more the vegetarian   than   take   a a salad, for example, with goat cheese or with   Yeah. And,  

[00:59:55] Barry Luijbregts:

yeah.   Okay.   Okay.   And then that's real food, you say? Now what I find very difficult is that even if you go for, let's say,   a food that you can recognize as an actual food, like a fish   or meat, for instance, if you buy that in the supermarket,   it's sometimes if you then look at beef, for instance, it contains 80% beef, and the rest is, I don't know, potato starch,   and all sorts of other things that I have no idea what they are.   How do you get actual meat?  

[01:00:27] Unknown:

Yeah. So   that's part of the whole food approach is   that you   just eat the parts of the animal.   And not   processed so that you can afford those additives.   Most of the time, I choose   as a source   that's Jersey, and   it's   those are   cows that are   raised.   They are breastfed. They are   organic,   and they are happy. I visited the farm. Okay. With my own eyes, I could see that that they are very happy cows. So I think, okay. When I eat those cows that are raised in a sustainable way and eat those that glass, then I know for sure that the source is okay. Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:01:18] Barry Luijbregts:

And Okay. So, yeah, you really have to look for that and not go to the regular supermarket for stuff like that. Yeah.  

[01:01:25] Unknown:

But then again,   if you want   to dive deep into the different   elements, then you can   reason that you should only eat grass fed cows that are raised organically,   whatever.   But then if people   want to make this first step,   I think, okay, just   start to eat whole foods.   And   although it may be grain fats,   still, I think it's   better to eat a grain fat whole foods   part of the animal than   a processed part of the meat. And   the fatty acids in the grass fed animal are,   have a better composition than in   a grain fed animal, but still   it it's still better,   to eat.  

And   for me, it's very important that they are organic because everything that is   that's coming from animals, I want it to be organic because the I   don't trust   the food, also the the industrialized   food industry that they what they put into   into the mouth  

[01:02:40] Barry Luijbregts:

of the cows. I don't trust it. Yeah. So the food that the cows eat needs to be organic. Yeah. And your vegetables then   are also organic?  

[01:02:51] Unknown:

Not per se. But when I eat   the stuff raw,   then I want to have organic   vegetables as well. Yeah.   But that's in the in the supermarket is   more and more availability of also organic   grown   vegetables,   and   and I also go to the organic store. They also have the   the availability   of vegetables that are grown   in the neighborhood, and I like that short supply chain so that it's not coming from   South America or whatever   origin. Yeah.   I think maybe it's it's relevant to mention my   19 10 system or 80 20 rule. It's 80 20 or 19 10.   Is that   I apply   the principles of my lifetime 90% of the time, and 10%, I have the freedom to to do whatever I want   to go with the flow to because   relationships are also very important to to to stay healthy. And if you   are the exemption   each time that you have dinner with other people and that you want to be in ketosis or don't want to eat that pasta or whatever,   then I   think it's not   good for your health. And   and it is not   a sustainable system because   the moment that you are   all the time the exempt the exemption,   then at a certain moment,   people start to dislike you. They don't invite you anymore.  

You   don't feel happy.   Sometimes it it can be very   nice to eat that bitter bowl.   Yeah. Or to have a French fry.   You won't die if you eat French fries. It's not healthy for you, but you won't die on the spot.   And so I think in Yeah. To be successful   in keeping this lifestyle in place,   I think you have to give yourself   some   degrees of freedom   to go with the flow and to eat just whatever you want. And and that makes life more enjoyable because people sometimes say, okay. You have you should have a boring life   because you do all those things. And then, no, I don't have a boring life   because I when I'm at home, I can make my own decisions, and I apply all those   And   And   I'm I'm happy. They are happy. And   and and that's the way I can maintain it and keep doing it. Yeah. And I think that's very important too. And I  

[01:05:41] Barry Luijbregts:

try to do that as well, although I'd have a bit more   restrictions because I am lactose intolerant for instance. And milk in the Netherlands is in everything that you see. All the processed things, at least. So even in processed   ham that you buy from the supermarket, you have to look at the labels. Yep.   I I do eat French fries sometimes Yep. Or a hamburger from wherever. Yep.  

[01:06:04] Unknown:

It's fun. Ice cream.   Yeah. So if you are   tolerant to it, then   it   I said that you you won't die for for eating it. It's   just about   your staple   the staple things that you do. And so that's the 90%. If you do Yeah. Things   in the correct way, 90 or 80% of the time, then you have that freedom. In my opinion, you have that freedom just   to   to do what you want.   And I think,  

[01:06:39] Barry Luijbregts:

now I don't know if you have the same thing. I feel a lot better than I did, but I'm also more sensitive to how my body feels. So for instance, if I   go more to 5050 or something, I have more of the time I eat French fries. When I'm on holiday with kids or something,   I start to immediately feel, alright, this is going the wrong way. I need to   restrict my stuff. I need to be more strict Yep. And go in the right way. Yep. Where previously, if I were to eat that  

[01:07:06] Unknown:

all day a 100%, I wouldn't feel that. But now I feel myself sliding, and I feel the little symptoms that I otherwise wouldn't feel. Yeah. That's also,   I think, a very   nice part of measuring a lot of things.   People often wonder   if the the measurements are becoming more important than how I feel.   Okay. But what I always tell them is that the measurements give me   the possibility   to get feedback   of   what is measured and how I feel.   And at a certain moment after measuring   a certain topic a lot of   time, then I know, okay,   when this is happening in the facts, then this is the way how I feel. So I don't need the facts anymore because   I know how it feels if it's this way. So, for example,   I don't need to measure my blood anymore to feel if I'm in ketosis or not. Yeah. And   and also the the Oura ring,   I immediately feel if I don't have enough deep sleep. I know it before I look at the results.  

Yeah. And then   and also   training hard weight viability. Hard weight viability is for me very important   KPI. So it's a measurement of   how   I recovered from the day before.  

[01:08:33] Barry Luijbregts:

Yep.  

[01:08:34] Unknown:

You can train your heart rate viability   with   different tools.   So you can learn how to breathe in order to increase your heart rate viability.   So the higher your viability, the better you are rested.  

[01:08:48] Barry Luijbregts:

And just to define, that's an the space in between heartbeats. Right? Yep. Yeah. And that should be variable.   Yeah. More restricted that is, the smaller that is, let's say, 10 milliseconds or whatever it is. Yeah. Or at constant. So when it's constant. So when it's constant, then it's not a good sign. It's a sign that you're stressed. Yep. And  

[01:09:06] Unknown:

and,   when your body can   influence the viability   in the milliseconds,   then you know that you are   well rested, recovered   because   your body's able to react on the different circumstances. And you train that? And you can train it   with a breathing method.   For example, heart method is a very nice tool for it.   And   and then when you start training   and you you get that biofeedback,   you have the app and you see the scores and you see how much time you were in   in the high co coherence. And   then at sort of moment, you start to feel   how it feels like when you have a stressed heart.  

And then you don't need to get that feedback anymore because okay. Now   I'm getting stressed. Now I have to breathe, and I know how to breathe to get my heart rate variability back again. You build that intuition   of how it works.   Yeah. And that that's exactly what you already mentioned that   the more that you are into this kind of hacking and measuring,   the better you become aware of it. So the okay.   I have to step back and to apply those principles again a little bit more strict because   I'm at a declining scale now. And yeah.  

[01:10:39] Barry Luijbregts:

Let's talk a bit more about this measuring. So you already mentioned the Oura ring. I'm also wearing   my generation 3 one. Yep. I love gadgets. I'm a Technology is still hard, so I just love gadgets.   Let's talk about what this thing actually does for you.   It does for me. Yeah. What it does in general and what you like about it.  

[01:11:02] Unknown:

What   what does it? It measures   different elements   of your body, so your activity, your movements,   but also the oxygen level, the   the heart rate,   your sleep,   and that's why I like it most is   the dashboard. So they have 3 parts in the dashboard. It gives you feedback about your activity,   about your readiness,   and about your sleep, your sleep quality.   And the readiness is for me extremely important because it   it shows you and heart rate viability, what we already mentioned is one of the most important KPIs in that dashboard. Yeah. How you are recovered.   I use it to   to check if I can find a relationship between the things that I do at a certain day and how I   sleep and how I recover next day.  

And,   for example,   I know that if I,   have my dinner late in the evening, it will have a very negative impact on my sleep quality.   And I also know that my deep sleep is my most important,   element of my sleep quality.   So all all the things are are not important for me.   The only thing that is relevant in my   measurements   is the deep sleep. So   I try to   get as much deep sleep as possible because it's my weakest point. At the moment that I have too much stress in my life, I see that my deep sleep is declining.   And then I knee I know that I have to take action.   And   but also   sports activity in the evening,   I can see it in my sleep results.  

Does it decline or increase? Decline. Okay. So it's for me better to   to be active during the day and to slow down in the evening.   Oh, yeah.   And,   yeah. And you can also see the impact of   alcohol on your sleep quality. That's   very clear.   And   Yeah.   So I know for me,   the threshold is 2 to 3   drinks.   So when I like to enjoy alcohol   occasionally and   because that's part of enjoying life for me.   And then I know if I'm staying at 2 or 3, then there's   absolutely no effect on my sleep quality.   And   and also, for example, the   one of the things that it measures is at what time you have your lowest heart rate at night.   And that also determines   your readiness,   your   capability to perform that day.  

And   I I tried to get   below 48, so my lowest heart rate is then 48.   Yeah. And it should be at 2 AM in the morning. So when I have both in place, then my readiness is 90 or higher on a scale of 100.   And when it's it's   sometimes when you drink too much alcohol or you ate too much food   too late,   then you can see that your body is processing all that food and all those toxins   all night. So then your heart rate gets elevated all   night and starts to decline only when it's ready.   And then you may be lucky when it's 5 AM or 6 AM right before I wake up then that you get your lowest heart rate. Yeah.   And then   it's extremely useful to to use those measurements to   to change   your habits during the day, what I just mentioned.  



[01:15:01] Barry Luijbregts:

Yeah.   That's what it's about, isn't it? So finding the connection between   what makes you feel good,   the things that you then also can see in your data, as in your heart rate variability is high, and what you did the previous day, as in, hey, I ate late before   took a drink.   I think that is the most difficult thing   for people to find out, the correlation between what they've done, exercise, nutrition, sleep, and how they feel the next day. I think if more people could see that correlation with data or something else,   then maybe they would be more inclined to take action.  



[01:15:37] Unknown:

I think   I'm convinced   that   applying those fact based, database,   principles is extremely helpful   for people. Otherwise, it's a black box. Yeah. You can drink a lot of alcohol,   then fall asleep immediately.   You sleep well, and   and you slept for 8 hours and say, okay, It's no problem. It's no issue. But the moment that you see that your heart is elevated   all night,   And, for example, if I drink too much, then it's easily   60 or 65   all night.   Yeah. Then if you compare it with 47,   that's almost a 50%   increase in the heart rate,   then,   okay,   this is doing something for your body. That's not okay. Your body   has to work extremely hard to get rid of it. And that insight,   you don't get it when you just wake up and feel a little bit.  

You don't feel that well.   We had fun yesterday, so why not? But then those insights,   it and it's fun as well. I for me, it's fun to have those data, to see those relationships.   And   and   if you are a hardcore biohacker, then you export those data and you try to get all kind of statistical, you know, and and analysis done.   But just doing it every day   and   checking it every day and just also   making that mental check.   Okay. What did I do yesterday?   Can I explain it? And do it it often enough, we'll give you also the insights. Yeah. Yeah. And then we'll build up that intuition that you were talking about before. Yeah.  

[01:17:26] Barry Luijbregts:

And I like that more companies, like, for instance, you see you're wearing an Apple Watch. Yep. Many people,   consumers have an Apple Watch. And those companies are also tracking stuff like sleep, heart rate, you name it. And then creating little dashboards on your iPhone that you don't have to export and analyze yourself. But then you could already get some correlation there between how you feel, and maybe you can then start to correlate what you did before. So it's becoming more accessible. You don't have to have a special ring or something like that. It's that's the old  

[01:17:57] Unknown:

democratization of health, and and I like the digital exponential developments that is enabling people to get that   that control over their own life.   Also,   for example,   glucose measurement,   that you have those   tools now available also for the consumers that you apply that constant glucose measurement tool   on your upper arm. Yeah. Like a Freestyle Libre for some sort, Dexcom.   Yeah. And then you can see yourself   what impact the different foods had on your sugar level. And   and that's it's very individual.   It's so   the one one person can   eat a banana   and since sees nothing in   Yeah. And the other one sees a huge peak in   in its, blood sugar level and then also a very huge decrease in the blood sugar level. That means that you   can get lack of energy again, so you you have those   huge   changes in in how you feel. Sure.  

And applying   those techniques   gives you   the personal insights, the individual insights,   because your DNA, your setup is different from anyone else. I think the   the one of the exciting things in the near future is that   everything is becoming more personalized,   and they are already experimenting with medicines that are based on your DNA, but also supplements.   I'm sure that   in in 5 to 10 years, we take supplements based on blood measurements or other   insights that we have so that that you are taking the right ones that you need. Yeah.  

[01:19:47] Barry Luijbregts:

Yeah. And I want to talk about supplements   a lot more in a bit.   But first, the measurement stuff,   you measure things with wearables   Yeah. On your  

[01:19:58] Unknown:

person. Do you also measure blood work? Yeah. Blood work, I do on a regular basis.   And   What I'm then curious about, and maybe other people as well, is if you're eating ketogenic,  

[01:20:10] Barry Luijbregts:

which means high fat potentially,   do you then also have, let's say, a high LDL?  

[01:20:18] Unknown:

No. It's so   don't have any   cholesterol   markers that are out of place.   And   and one of the most important   what   I believe, one of the most important to prevent it is to get enough   fiber   because that's one of the   issues that if you eat too much at the right is fat, I can   because I'm not a medical doctor and and also it's very individual how people   how their LDL levels   are raised based on their food, but   but I know that if you eat enough fiber, and many people that are on the ketogenic don't eat diet, they don't eat enough fiber, That could be a relationship.   And also, it could be that you don't respond well to saturated fat   because the   that's also based on your genetics.  

So it's it's it makes sense to measure   things, your DNA and your blood, and see if you can   also find some relationships, some explanations   in those measurements.   Yeah. Because I know, for example, that I am not a good saturated fat   person   so that I have to make sure that I keep those levels low.   Although I thought   in the beginning that I should eat all those,   fatty meat and rib eyes and and Yeah. And now I started to eat more the lean cuts of the animal.   Sure. But, also, I'm not able I'm, from a DNA perspective, not a good carb   burner   or digester. I don't know if that's so I'd word. But   So yeah. So that's difficult. Yeah. So then   I try to   go more into the   Mediterranean   diet.  

So a lot of fish,   the lean cuts of meat,   nuts and seeds,   vegetables,   and can still eat low carb with a Mediterranean diet Yeah. When you leave out the pasta.   Yeah. So it's how you do it.  

[01:22:36] Barry Luijbregts:

Yeah. Yep. Okay. Interesting.   Okay. So we know why we do it. You can measure all the things to see how you feel   and what you're doing, the interventions that you're doing with biohacking, if they actually do something or the things that you eat and exercise.   And then   there's nutrition. So things that you eat, all foods. And then there's also supplements,   which I think sometimes also just nutrition because it's mostly plants and stuff   and vitamins and hormones and minerals and stuff.   And you actually run a company in that, like we alluded to in the beginning of this   episode.  

So that's  

[01:23:16] Unknown:

live healthy. Yeah. Can you talk about why you started that and what that is? What I mentioned was that I was a fan of Dave Espie, and Dave Espie,   he is the inventor of the bulletproof coffee,   and I started to drink bulletproof coffee. And   there are different elements in bulletproof coffee. One is that you use coffee that is mold and toxin free   because otherwise you get the the jitters from the coffee and the anxiety from the coffee. Yeah.   And it also uses   butter or ghee   and mcedi oil,   and   and   it was a great invention for me because   I got a lot of energy of the coffee.  

And   so I was a fan of Bulletproof   Coffee.   I started to use all also the other products that he created, the collagen   and   and supplements, and I thought, okay.   I imported them   as a consumer   to the Netherlands. I thought, okay. There are many more people in Europe   buying bulletproof products, sending it to from the United States   to Europe. I thought that's not sustainable because   it's all those   different airplanes that that I needed, and people have to pay import duties and shipping costs   and issues with customs. So I could solve that issue just by   creating a company that   imports the beautiful products and sell it makes it available for   bioethics in Europe. That's that was the whole   idea. And   so I started it, and it took off quite fast.  

So I decided to add other American brands   that   the same people were talking about,   like Dave Espie and Bank of Beet. So that when they were talking about the different supplements and brands,   I thought, okay. Then   the same people that listen to   Diverse Free,   they listen to Ben Greenfield. So if   they endorse products, then there's a demand for it.   And when they are not available in Europe, then I can add them to the shop. Yes. So, in fact, the the one of the most important USPs for Live Healthy is that we,   create   the European markets. We open the European market for American brands. We also have non American brands, but   those American brands are important. And,   we make it   for the European consumers more   easy   to get their hands on   those products that people are raving about in the biomarker scene. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you're the  

[01:26:01] Barry Luijbregts:

European hub for supplements, basically Yeah. For biomarkers. Yeah.  

[01:26:08] Unknown:

So all those   supplements that   we sell are used by biomarkers.  

[01:26:15] Barry Luijbregts:

How are your supplements, let's say, a vitamin c supplement or so, how is that different or better than whatever I can buy from the grocery store where there's a generic brand?  

[01:26:27] Unknown:

Yeah. If you want to make choices, then   it's about bioavailability.   So What is that? So when you take a supplement, then it has to be absorbed in your body. And   and you have   a well known expression that when you don't choose the right supplements, then it becomes very expensive. Urine.   So   bioavailability   is a very important   component in choosing the right supplements.   The   if it's a capsule or   a tablet.   Because when you have a tablet, then they need all kind of fillers   in order to fix it and to make it Yeah.   Yeah, to to keep all the nutrients in place. So the fillers are a very important thing. The cheaper   the multivitamin or vitamin,   the more fillers are in it most of the time,   and some of those fillers are just not good for your health.  

Also,   they use cheaper ingredients because   if you want to offer a cheap product, then you'd have to use cheap ingredients.   Yeah. Of course. And you you have some of those have proprietary formulas so that you not exactly know what's in it. Yeah.   And, yeah, those are all different aspects   that you can use whether   you choose the product from   the the grocery store or   buy it somewhere else. And   and   our customers are extremely   focused on quality. And   so we have expensive products. That's   that's there's no discussion about it, but   we make that selection ourselves. So we   select   the brands and the products that we trust.  

So for me, trust is extremely important.   So when   I start to do business with   a brand and I want to   I want to know the people,   how they   just behave as a person,   because then it that's very insightful   how they   approach business and if they   are more opportunistic and want to make money fast   because, there are a lot of cowboys in the supermarket.   So   it's and   I I consider that as our one of the most important   added values of LiveHealthy is that   I'm, as a person, connected to the brands   and that people   know that I'm a bioeracker, that they trust me,   that I   select the right brands with the right,   approach   to creating   supplements that work for a person. Yeah. Okay.  



[01:29:28] Barry Luijbregts:

So yeah. And that's also why I trust your shop to buy my supplements   instead of, let's say, the grocery store. Yeah. Get a generic   multivitamin or something like that. So your market is pretty specific, as in it's biohackers and people that   know more   than most Yep. About health and biohacking.   And then you sell lots of supplements,   And you also have your own brand of supplements. Right? Yeah. So we created Northcod.  

[01:30:03] Unknown:

First, we started   to make sure that we are not a 100% dependent on American   brands because you never know what Americans do because they Yeah. That's true. It's You only be dependent as a store, of course. Yeah. Yeah. And   and that's what all supermarkets do as well.   And   but then we don't want it to create a   house brand,   not a Live Healthy brand. Yes. We want we wanted to make sure that it has that   the people would know that it has the same quality   as the American   products because we wanted to get a European alternative because still   you have to fly all those products to Europe.  

And   and I thought, okay.   If people are open for it, we can create a brand that is sourced in Europe   with high quality ingredients from Europe   and make them available   for them. And   so   it's a premium brand, North Gold, with   with products that each of each product should have a unique story and a unique value   for the customers.  

[01:31:22] Barry Luijbregts:

Right. And so it's more sustainable because you don't have to fly it from the US, and it's also then cheaper.   Yeah. Okay. That's all. And what type of stuff do you guys make for Yeah. So for example, we have  

[01:31:33] Unknown:

c 8 MCT oil. So that's   that's one of our popular products. We   we make it from 100% coconuts.   So that's   that's for,   bioheca. I did a a staple food, MCT oil.  

[01:31:52] Barry Luijbregts:

So how do you do it in Europe with coconuts?  

[01:31:54] Unknown:

Yeah. It's so the of course, the coconuts are sourced from   outside Europe, but it's produced in Europe. Ah. So most of the time, you have done the coconuts. They are shipped to whatever to,   Brazil, then they have to make that MST oil and then ship the MST oil to Europe. So then you have a double whammy.   Another one, I don't have the package here, but   a very popular one is the grass fed collagen from alpine cows from France, and it's   the collagen   is very important   to supplement because   people don't eat   all the parts of the animal anymore. So the more the tough parts, they contain the most collagen.   They don't make their own bone broth anymore. Yeah.  

And   and the collagen has a specific amino acid profile, and that's useful   for your gut, for your hair, for your skin. And   that's   extremely   popular product for   Northcott.   But, also, if you   want to create your bulletproof coffee,   which are on on the go. We have a very nice pure MCT creamer,   and it's a c 8 MCTs   with   a touch of   coconut to to give it that little sweetness   without making it,   tasting like coconut.   Yes. I'm very happy with this one as well. We have 90% chocolate bars.   We have just created   Mex 6. That's a  

[01:33:40] Barry Luijbregts:

magnesium formula with 6 different forms of magnesium. Oh, really? I didn't know you guys had that. I take   bio optimizers.   What's it called? Yeah. Magnesium breakthrough? Yes. With lots of types of magnesium. Yeah. And this is the European alternative.   Oh, cool.  

[01:33:57] Unknown:

And we have the master formula that's   it's an upgraded multivitamin   because   we received a lot of questions from people. They said, okay. I can spend €500   choosing all the different vitamins and minerals, etcetera, in your story. Yeah.   But I don't want to because it's it's I don't want to spend that much money.   And I want just   1 or 2 capsules   a day. That's enough. Not 20, 30, 40. So   many customers   that   buy it, live healthy, they  

[01:34:31] Barry Luijbregts:

they consume 30, 40, 50 capsules a day. Okay. Yeah. But some people just don't want that, and that's Make your stack as simple as possible. Yeah. Yeah. That's  

[01:34:42] Unknown:

why we created for them this formula, the mask formula so that for sure you get all the vitamins, minerals,   antioxidants,   herbs   in 1   or 2 capsules a day. And that's   that's also a very popular one.   And what I'm really   it's harder to explain to the people   is that circadian boost.   It's   because circadian rhythm is very important.   There's a biarchy   that   your body has all different   timing   clocks in all those different organs. They have the different  

[01:35:30] Barry Luijbregts:

timing and Yeah. Yeah. You have the internal clock that works based on what the sun does, and for everything, it's a little bit different. And it's influenced by, first of all, light  

[01:35:39] Unknown:

and food and exercise. And so that's why   by Recker, when he he or she wakes up in the morning, you go outside and you get that fresh sunlight in order to reset your circadian clock. Yeah. That's why someone wants don't want to have blue light in the evening   because you want   your melatonin   to get you into sleep, and if you have that blue light, then it's disrupted. So   your circadian rhythm is extremely important. Also, your food intake, time restricted eating.   So I thought, okay, then   how can you support people to   live according their circadian rhythm?  

And we created this supplement.   It's 4 different   formulas   for the different moments of the day.   And so one when you wake up in the morning,   one   at   in   at lunchtime   to avoid.   So in the morning, it's to activate yourself, to get ready for the day. At lunchtime, to   to mitigate the stress that you have. So there are some adaptogenic   herbs in it, but also to   afford the afternoon after lunch dip and to make sure that you are able to perform in the afternoon as well.   Then to in the evening to replenish your energy   and at night, to improve your sleep. And   so we have in those the this box, we have then those different   different   bottles   for the different   moments of today and convenient.  

It's a pillbox that you can when you   go to your work, then you can put it in your pillbox.   But that's   the challenging part of this product is that   people need   the discipline to   take that capsule  

[01:37:35] Barry Luijbregts:

at each moment of the day. Yeah. It's a lot of pills.  

[01:37:39] Unknown:

Yeah. It's only 4.   So it's a one capsule. So that's Yeah. That's the easy part. But just to remind yourself that you have to take 1 at lunchtime and the dinner time and the evening, that's That can be difficult. Yep. Yep.  

[01:37:52] Barry Luijbregts:

Okay. That's very cool.   There's lots of supplements and your own supplements.   So should everybody   be taking supplements,   or is this only for biohackers who   know what their blood work is and know where the deficiencies are? Or are there supplements that are good for everybody?   And or can you overdo it? And   can they be detrimental to your health, even dangerous?  

[01:38:20] Unknown:

There there are a lot of questions that   Let's just say that.   I think everybody   can benefit from supplements. Okay. Because   if you look at the environment   that we live in,   it's, in fact, toxic.   It's not only the pollution in the air, but also what you eat,   the stress that you occur, the   the gases from the cars, whatever.   It's   that's one part.   The soil gets depleted   because of the intensive   harvesting of the monocrops.   Sure.   So   there   are   many reasons why you could consider to   give yourself some support with   supplements. So, for example, vitamin d, what everybody knows is that in the wintertime,   you don't have   enough vitamin d levels when you live at our   the area that we live in the Northern Hemisphere.  

Yeah.   And   and also if you look at   the corona, COVID, your immunity,   your resilience,   then I think it makes sense to add vitamin d to your supplement regimen. And magnesium,   many people   don't have enough magnesium, and magnesium is sort of a kind of a master mineral. It's   involved in so many processes in your body that   it makes sense   to add magnesium to it as well, and it doesn't have any side effects.   So the   if you   take the proper doses dosage and   avoid taking too many capsules, then   it can do no harm.   But, of course,   if you   take too much, especially   the vitamins that are   fat based,   so vitamin k   a d,   When you take too much of them, then it stays in your body, and   and that's not good for you.  



[01:40:32] Barry Luijbregts:

Okay.   So and maybe we get to that at the end for a tip for the people,   let's say. But   so you've already mentioned a couple of, let's say, low hanging fruit ones, vitamin d, magnesium.   You say don't take too much. But how do you know that you had too much? Should you then get regularly tested with your blood, for instance?  

[01:40:53] Unknown:

Yeah.   That's a way to check if   Otherwise,   I I wouldn't know. So the only way   no is a blood test.   Otherwise, I wouldn't know how you could   know if you have too much of something or not.   Yeah.   Yeah. Okay. But   it's interesting.   I listen to a podcast   from the Patrick   with   a very old   American scientist,   and I forgot his name.   But he had a very interesting comment, and it said the   the   the the advised dosage   of vitamins   is based on   a level that you need   in order to stay alive.   Yeah. But not that's not the level that you need to thrive.   And in his opinion,   you could easily add more of the different nutrients   or supplements   to your daily   regimen   in order to   to perform better.  

And then still the question is how much of the difference   do you need? That's extremely difficult.   That's something that's what we also discussed already.   I hope in the near future is that we will be able   to   to base our decisions, what supplements we need on   on   the measurements, on the individual measurements   so that you assure that you have the right quantities.  

[01:42:35] Barry Luijbregts:

Yeah. Yeah. That would be great. Personalized medicine, personalized vitamins,   just a drop of blood, and I get a a customized pill from Live Healthy. Yeah. That would be cool. Yeah. That'd be very cool. Yeah.   Okay. So you guys have supplements,   and you also sell gadgets.   I love gadgets. What type of gadgets do you use personally? So  

[01:42:58] Unknown:

the ones that I'm, I'm extremely   happy with is, for example, this one, this will be in the shop   next week.   This is an   CO 2 measurement tool,   and your   performance   will decline the moments that the CO 2 levels   rise in your office. So that's especially when you are inside.   Yes. And   and the more CO 2, the less able you are perform.   And   that's what you can feel   when you are in a room, in a space   with no   fresh air in it. So when you spent with 8 people in in a meeting room   without   the   ventilation, then   you feel a little bit   your head starts a little bit aching. I don't know   if you know that feeling, but I know exactly when   those 2 CO2 levels are becoming too high because I spent   almost 15 years in an environment with those kind of meeting rooms where at a certain level, the oxygen was run out and the c c o two levels that was too high.  

And I use this   in my home office,   and I discovered that   it was also not healthy   where I was working.   I discovered that I need to open my window all the time in order to get enough   fresh air. And it's it makes a difference. It's this is extremely nice tool.  

[01:44:33] Barry Luijbregts:

I love that. That's a simple measurement, simple intervention Yep. Improves immediately. Yep. That's what we want. Yeah. You and you feel it immediately.  

[01:44:42] Unknown:

And   and this is also an   interesting one.   It's the flex beam,   and   it's   a red light, a near infrared   red light device,   and it's extremely powerful, and you have three levels of how deep it will penetrate in your body.   And I use it on a daily basis   to prevent   pain in my lower back because that's one of the weakest point in my body, and using this device   is extremely helpful.   But you can also use it to just   energize   your body. You just put it   on your body   and and the it it energizes your mitochondria,   the energy systems in your cells.   So it's also an an healthy aging   device. So it's   and you can wrap it around   your body parts. So it's when you have an   upon my elbow, you just wrap it around,   and it gives a penetrating light.  



[01:45:54] Barry Luijbregts:

And you could just go and do whatever you're doing. Yeah. And whilst that thing is working.  

[01:45:58] Unknown:

Oh, cool. So this is for me, it's not only   the device for when you have in injuries, but also   for well-being.   It's very cool.   And this is something   What is that? There's this very   experimental.   You put it on your head with headphones,   and then these LED lights, this neurovisor,   these LED lights, they start to flash,   and it's   when you   have your eyes closed, then you see all kind of stroboscopic   fuse   figures,   and they are they are moving all the way.   So it's quite   when you do it for the first time, it's quite overwhelming.   Yeah.  

And you have that sound and   that, you know, the the that   stowoscopic effect.   It's already invented, I believe,   between   the 1st and second World War. So they they already experimented with   all kinds of treatments   for psychological   disorders.   But it's   you have different ways to learn   so that your your brains can develop.   Yeah. And it's by doing things,   by reading things, and this is just by listening and watching things.   Okay. Yeah.   And neuroplasticity.   And   what it the idea is that you   can help your brain to   get a better coordination   or a better endurance or   better flexibility,   but also to become in certain states. And   it's extremely difficult to explain it, how it works because of how idea of the first language. It's Dupree, the guy   that invented it. And the only way   to understand it yourself is to watch it on YouTube, and   and then you have to Google for neurovisor,   and and then you there are 5 YouTube videos   with   5 to 10 minutes per   video,   and that explains the whole concept of the first language.  



[01:48:15] Barry Luijbregts:

And what is the advantage that you get from using that?  

[01:48:19] Unknown:

It should   help you. For example, if you choose the program coordination,   it should help you.   So for me, I I I hope that I will improve my golf   game   Okay. Just by using this. It's experimental.   This is   a real bio aching stuff. There is no clinical evidence that it works. It's the it's based on science,  

[01:48:45] Barry Luijbregts:

but you don't know if it works. But it's the experience on its own is very cool. Yeah. And that's the thing, isn't it? It's experimenting on your own with there's something with a good   hypothesis. No no real data. Yeah. Just finding out, will this work or not? Yeah. That's cool.  

[01:49:02] Unknown:

Yeah. And and also the the this kind of devices are very popular. The   infrared   red and infrared near infrared   devices,   extremely popular with bio, I could say.   They use it to improve   their skin, but also to get energized. So it's   yeah. And   I dominantly use those   red lights   for energy Yeah.   To get my my tachonium,  

[01:49:33] Barry Luijbregts:

like, frictioning properly. Okay. Very cool. Yeah. I have a dune flight.   Yep.   A big one. Yep. And I stand in front of that, but it's a bit more evolved than your band because I actually have to stand still in front of it. Yes. So first the front and then the back, and it just takes time.  

[01:49:51] Unknown:

Yeah. That's why I like the idea of stacking things.   So   I just bought my Neuosenic   chair.   Yeah. And   that's a chair that's vibrates so that that relaxes you. If you do   a 25 minute nap, then   you wake up or   there are different programs. And it's not a nap,   real nap, but it fakes a nap and is it calms your system down.   And I use I will use it together with,   BIM of Breathing. So I use the BIM of Breathing on a daily basis   also to get energized, to clean up the system, to make sure that the oxygen is flowing in every part of the body.   And then   my dream is to get that juv that you you have, to get a panel on top of it so that while you are breathing, you'll get the red lights and have the vibration   Yeah. At the same time.  

And stacking things, that is   very interesting concept   to get   to spend as less time as possible   in hacking all those using all those different tools Yeah. Because you only have so much time per day. And, Yeah. Yeah. You don't wanna spend 2 hours on your morning routine. Let's say. Yeah.  

[01:51:14] Barry Luijbregts:

Okay. That's very cool. This is all very cool stuff. I just love gadgets.   So we've gone from why to what   to nutrients, to supplements, to more advanced stuff that my mom will definitely not use.   Let's   circle it back and   then let's get to some practical tips. So if people want to improve their health or just the way they feel right now, let's say they don't it's not per se about solving an illness or something.   Just feel better in the moment, have more energy, perform better, start their, let's say, biohacking journey. What are some simple things that people can start with?  

[01:51:57] Unknown:

Yeah. So   the first thing is improving your diet. That's, you know, what I already mentioned.   Eat less carbs   and eat whole food.   That's simple.   Yeah.   The second thing I would recommend is to   exercise, to move,   move on a daily basis.   Strength training twice per week   at least   and high intensity interval training once per week at least.   And   take a   walk every day, 30 minutes   to make sure that you move. Yeah.   And exercise is extremely important   to maintain your muscle mass and   to stay active because   when we grow older,   you have sarcopenia, so the your muscle mass is declining, and then you become more vulnerable,   not stable anymore, so you want to   to have that, muscle mass in place.  

And   exercise is healthy on its own on its own Yeah. For your hormones, for   stress management. There's all sorts of things. Yeah. Yeah. And that's also   something that it's not negotiable for me. So it's and it's easy to implement. So you you make sure   everybody can walk   and everybody can take a sprint   and get your heart rate elevated.   Also, if you're an older person,   my mother,   she also always has told me to get my heart rate elevated at least once per day. And she's 86 now, and she is still,   on her bike,   traveling for 60 kilometers on her bike and a very healthy   person.  

So that's a thing I would suggest   starting to take cold showers,   and maybe you should   try with warm shower   then   change to cold and then end   with an old showering to in order to be able to do it.   In the summertime, the cold water is warmer than in the wintertime. So if you start now and make a habit, then you can get used to it in the winter.   I I think   breathing,   all kind of different breathing   exercises   are very beneficial.   It could be the heart rate viability breathing   or just, well, even a relaxation protocol   of box breathing that you can   if you Google   box breathing on the Internet, then you see all different   movies where you can follow the breathing pattern   and see how it works out for you, and you have all different Yeah.  

It's I think breathing is a good way to   to energize your body and to   get relaxed when you are tensed.   Meditating,   it's something that I can advise everybody.   In the newspaper this week said that there is no   scientific evidence for   mindfulness.   Really? Yeah. But I   I   can't believe   because I've   seen so many people   for whom it is beneficial to just to to meditate, to sit down, to relax, to get your system, to rest, to   become aware of the sensations in your body, and   and they they see huge improvements in their sleep. And then regarding the supplements, you can start with a multivitamin and the magnesium, the vitamin d, vitamin c, those kind of supplements.   Those are the basics,   and there are coming all kind of   antiaging supplements to the market   are quite expensive.  

If you are, for example,   older than 50, 55,   you can experiment with NMN,   and the NMN   is it's   a kind of vitamin b free. Yeah. It's a precursor of,   energy is needed for many processes   in your body and also to make energy. And   the NAD levels decline. And the more you age, the older you become, the less NAD is available.   So it makes sense   to   supplement with   NMM or n NR and NMM are both. So the   nicotinamide ribosetin,   or nicotinamide   mononucleotidin,   those NMN. Yeah.   And   and both   are precursors   of NAD, and   I think that's a very promising supplement for   aging people.  



[01:57:02] Barry Luijbregts:

Okay.   So that's good. So we have   improve your diet,   exercise,   do something like take a cold shower, for instance,   relax, meditate Yep.   And some basic supplements. Yep. And you can   go a bit more advanced and look at some antiaging things. Try something out, let's say. Yep. Okay. And the red light, yeah, I  

[01:57:28] Unknown:

for me, the red light is   something I would advise everybody   to use. Those red light panel panels that you were talking about   or red light lamp or   device. I showed   the FlexBeam.   It's   also for   aging, healthy aging.   When you age,   your mitochondria, they are performing less, so you get less mitochondria itself, and   they are frictioning   less well. And those are the energy sources in your cells. Yeah. Yeah. So if you can help them with   the red lights, then,   why not? It's   cheap. And,   Yeah. It's and and it's nice thing to do. It's when you use your,   lamp,  

[01:58:19] Barry Luijbregts:

it's very It's amazing. It's relaxing. And, it's like a bit of a sauna, and especially in the winter time, it's nice and warm. Yep. Yep.  

[01:58:27] Unknown:

Sauna is also very beneficial.   Yeah. Yeah.   But I can   I can mention 50, 60, I think, but it's then you are level 2 or 3?  

[01:58:38] Barry Luijbregts:

Yeah.   It's becoming more advanced. Yep.   Yep.   Okay.   This is just, great. Thank you very much for your time   and for your hospitality.   Where can people find more about you, Live Healthy, and about your coaching?  

[01:58:55] Unknown:

Yeah.   Livehealthy.com.   The healthy is not healthy, but healthy.   I'll lead to it in the shell notes as well. Yeah.   And there, you can, find my background   and ways to contact me and   them. Okay.  

[01:59:13] Barry Luijbregts:

Excellent. Yep. Thank you very much. My pleasure.   Thank you for spending time with me to learn about health and wellness.   For the full transcript   and more content, visit improvingberry.com.   That is improving   b   adry.com.   And here is a disclaimer.   The information in this podcast is for general informational purposes only   and does not constitute the practice of medicine,   nursing or other professional healthcare services   including the giving of medical advice,   and no doctor patient relationship is formed.   The use of information in this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice,   diagnosis, or treatment.  

Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions.